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Re: Remington Rolling Block
Reply #15 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 4:20pm
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rustyrelx wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 12:48pm:
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Look at the front on the sight base and you will notice that it seems farther forward. The juncture at the front of the buttstock seems to be real close on some of the target bases and farther back on others. Obviously all being made and installed by Remington.
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Don,

Maybe not so obvious.
Consider that some factory Remington target sights may have been installed at Remington, while other factory Remington target sights may have been ordered separately for installation by shops on rifles with untapped tangs... which can explain the variation in positioning you see of the front of the sight base to the upper tang/front of buttstock to receiver reference datum you selected.

Looking in the old Remington catalogs, I haven't seen where the customer is requested to specify any screw spacing when ordering the Remington tang sight.

A person can use basic photogrammetry principles to see if a Rem factory sight base pictured in Marcot's book has the necessary OAL for a 2 1/16" screw spacing, but that will have to wait for you to post those particular page #'s, pictures, and rifles you mention.
  
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Re: Remington Rolling Block
Reply #16 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:31am
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The problem with most of the pictures in Marcot's book, (or other books) is most provide a side profile only. We have to assume that based on the length of the sight base it may be a 1 15/16". But since were guessing, there's no way to know for sure that a certain length base is that spacing on the screws.
I do agree that with the number of Rolling Blocks sold untapped for tang sight, any number of them could have been done later by owners or gunsmiths.
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:11pm
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marlinguy wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:31am:
The problem with most of the pictures in Marcot's book, (or other books) is most provide a side profile only. We have to assume that based on the length of the sight base it may be a 1 15/16". But since were guessing, there's no way to know for sure that a certain length base is that spacing on the screws.
I do agree that with the number of Rolling Blocks sold untapped for tang sight, any number of them could have been done later by owners or gunsmiths.

Vall,

Those side profiles are useful.
They provide lengths, distances, angles and scale.
We have established measurements from various points on actual receivers (pull one out of your safe and do some measuring), and also on actual samples of Rem factory production sights.
Working with established values allows you eliminate a lot of PIOOYA guessing and assumptions.     Wink
  
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Re: Remington Rolling Block
Reply #18 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:10pm
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BP wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:11pm:
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Vall,

Those side profiles are useful.
They provide lengths, distances, angles and scale.
We have established measurements from various points on actual receivers (pull one out of your safe and do some measuring), and also on actual samples of Rem factory production sights.
Working with established values allows you eliminate a lot of PIOOYA guessing and assumptions.     Wink


They are indeed helpful IF we know for sure what the sight is. But we have quite a few sights that look very similar, so a thick base Remington sight looks much like a thick base Winchester or Marlin Ballard. But all three have different hole spacing, even though the length of all three is very close. With the possibility of a gunsmith installed sight, we may have the possibility of three different spacing, and no way to tell when looking at a side profile. And the problem becomes even more complicated with aftermarket Marbles or Lyman tang sights. 
These two guns have the same spacing, and have two different factory sights. Since Marlin D&T their receivers all the time, the difference in bases doesn't matter. But if these two sights were on a Remington, a side profile wouldn't clue me in to what the screw spacing might be.
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Re: Remington Rolling Block
Reply #19 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:11pm
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Vall,

Let's try it this way... can you tell a factory Remington sight from a factory Winchester sight from a factory Marlin Ballard sight?

I suspect you've seen more than enough samples of originals, both mounted on rifles as well as loose, to distinguish between them using more than just the difference in screw spacings.

Yes, they have their similarities.
But (ignoring the screw spacings), the Remington tang sight wasn’t a direct duplicate of a Winchester thick base, or of a Marlin Ballard, or of an early thick base Lyman.

Like any firearm part, sights have their recognizable differences, which is what we use to distinguish between them, and which often makes a particular sight stick out like a great big sore thumb, and is one of the reasons the claims made about sights on flea-bay are often so hilarious.      Smiley



  
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Re: Remington Rolling Block
Reply #20 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 8:30pm
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I have a Remington sight base in my hand and it is 1 15/16" center to center.
  
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