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25 20 WCF
Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:00am
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Why is that no one is producing ammo or brass for 25 20 WCF?  It seems that there are a lot of people looking for it.  The only place that has any is gunbroker.  I know it is a supply and demand thing, but it seems that the demand is there.
  
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Re: 25 20 WCF
Reply #1 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:16am
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You said it. It seems the demand is there. I doubt it's big enough. 

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Reply #2 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:18am
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IMHO, you see the demand because of the group we are in and the interests we have.
I think if the general shooting public thought the same, the manufacturers would be right on it.
  

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Re: 25 20 WCF
Reply #3 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:41am
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Starline has 32-20 brass, one pass through your 25-20 sizer should make 25-20!
The Starline site says it is available now.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 4:44pm
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I think the companies make a production run of obsolescent brass shells only at intervals of a few years.  You might call Winchester and see when the next run is contemplated.

It's not a routine occurrence, but I see the empty cases fairly often at gun shows.  The price doesn't seem that outrageous either, at least compared to what people seem to want for the factory loaded ammunition.
  
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Re: 25 20 WCF
Reply #5 - Oct 11th, 2015 at 9:27pm
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Don't bother contacting Winchester - you won't get an answer. I already tried when I was asking for 218 Bee Brass as well. They say it is a "Seasonal" production, but for them seasonal means every 5-10 years I think. 
As an example, I had a buddy call me to say that Buffalo Arms had 218 Bee in stock (he was mistaken), when I called they just laughed and said that 25-20 and 218 Bee has been backordered with Winchester for 4 years...

I also inquired at Starline why they do not produce 25-20 or 218 Bee because every forum I am on has people looking for it. I was told that Starline does not have the annealing equipment, so any necked case beyond 32-20 can't be done. The problem with necking down 32-20 is that the case will be short after forming. It will work in a pinch, but is not optimal.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 12th, 2015 at 2:31am
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Baja_Traveler wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 9:27pm:
...I was told that Starline does not have the annealing equipment, so any necked case beyond 32-20 can't be done.


Their lack of annealing equipment also keeps them from making .32-40.   

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Reply #7 - Oct 15th, 2015 at 8:38am
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I've made plenty of 25 20 brass from 32 20 and it comes out the same length as 32 20 as it should be.  I had some necks fold as they were reduced in size if I tried to go directly from 32 to 25 caliber so I put in an intermediate step of first reducing to an intermediate size by in my case pushing them into a 7mm Mauser die.   I built a push rod that fits into the shell holder on my press that pushed the case into the neck of the 7mm die.   I use the 7mm resizing die with the depriming rod removed.  then a brass rod to knock the case out of the die.

I suggest annealing the 32 20 brass before necking down and use plenty of lubricant to help avoid neck folding.

I've had only short waits of a month or so getting 32 20 brass from Starline.

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Baja_Traveler wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 9:27pm:
Don't bother contacting Winchester - you won't get an answer. I already tried when I was asking for 218 Bee Brass as well. They say it is a "Seasonal" production, but for them seasonal means every 5-10 years I think. 
As an example, I had a buddy call me to say that Buffalo Arms had 218 Bee in stock (he was mistaken), when I called they just laughed and said that 25-20 and 218 Bee has been backordered with Winchester for 4 years...

I also inquired at Starline why they do not produce 25-20 or 218 Bee because every forum I am on has people looking for it. I was told that Starline does not have the annealing equipment, so any necked case beyond 32-20 can't be done. The problem with necking down 32-20 is that the case will be short after forming. It will work in a pinch, but is not optimal.

  
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Re: 25 20 WCF
Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2015 at 10:08am
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Amazon has .32-20 Starline brass for $39.95 per 100 and free shipping.  I just ordered a bag.  Be here next week from Chinook Sales.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 10:51am
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There's a guy on Cast Boolits, GRUMPA I think his name is, that sells .25-20 made out of .32-20.  Look in the For Sale section.
  
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