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.22-15-60 Reloading
Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:25pm
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Rocky Mountain has brass. Not able to find dies so far. Couldn't find them on the C&H website. Gun is marked .22-15 SS. It is a Stevens 44. I assume this is the .22-15-60. Anyone here familiar with it?
  
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Re: .22-15-60 Reloading
Reply #1 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 11:07pm
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Actually....you're raising an interesting topic. Reloading presses and dies are a 20th century invention, at the time Stevens single-shot rifles and others were made, reloading was done with tong tools. I've owned a few tong tools and I've seen some early reloading kits made by A. O. Neidner, but all of these were very awkward and hard to use. I think schuetzen loading was the sensible answer.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 11:15pm
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There is a fair amount of black powder loading info for the 22-15-60 in the Stevens #50 catalog, but no smokeless data. Had a box once of factory smokeless loads that had 45 grain semi-jacketed soft nose bullets instead of the normal 60 grain bullet, but traded that off long ago.
I have encountered two Stevens rifles using the 1894 Favorite action that had centerfire breachblocks and that were marked 22-15 S.S. on the accompanying barrels.
Ideal listed their #3 tool available for the 22-15-60 cartridge, but I have seen a smaller sized Ideal tong tool (that used the removable dies) marked for the 22-15-60 on a few rare occasions.
One more thing... slug your barrel as 0.223-0.224" was not the standard 22 barrel size when the 22-15 SS was introduced, and you may need to locate an old WRA mould to get a 22 bullet that will cast large enough to fit your barrel.
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Reply #3 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 1:13am
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Here's a little information from Gerald Kelver;
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 1:46am
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slumlord44 wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:25pm:
Rocky Mountain has brass. Not able to find dies so far.


RCBS has them:
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 6:26pm
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I have an 044-1/2 in .22-15 SS.  C-H 4D made the loading dies I have.  I've found the Ideal 63gr PB factory standard, the 228367 60gr GC for the .22 High-Power and the 228151 45gr PB for the .22 WCF all work.  I have the 22638 HP but haven't checked it out yet.

The groove diameter is nominally .226".  Mine is 0.226-0.227" by my measurements.  The bore is not mint, but not pitted; just sort of dark along the edges of the grooves.

I've tried 4759, 4198 and Benchmark, trying for loads that would bulk up in the long case and gradually accelerate the bullet by progressive burning.  I don't know how these would work in a 44 action, but I do know that it's possible to pop primers with a 1 gr overcharge of 4198 in this caliber.  It only has buckhorn and blade sights, so fine target shooting probably won't be possible.  I got the impression that this was a sort of black powder express cartridge for small game and varmints anyway.

Right now the best loads mostly go under 2" at 50 yards.  I need to try black powder in this caliber; it's on the "to-do" list.

Any smokeless load development for this caliber is going to be seat of the pants dead reckoning and gun specific.  Might start with the lowest recommended loads for cast bullets in the .22 Hornet and gingerly proceed from there.

The Rocky Mountain cases are very good, but being turned rather than drawn, they won't stand full length resizing for very long without splitting at the necks.  Don't ask me how I know this. Undecided
  
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Re: .22-15-60 Reloading
Reply #6 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 7:34pm
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Bent_Ramrod wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 6:26pm:


Right now the best loads mostly go under 2" at 50 yards.  I need to try black powder in this caliber; it's on the "to-do" list.



That should be interesting.  Let us know how it works out.  I have always been curious about BP in .22 or .25 but never got around to trying it.

The Mad Monk, aka Bill Knight, analyzed BP of 19th century Golden Age vintage.  I said the quality of powder they had did not have the issues with heavy fouling we experience today.
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 8:37pm
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Bent Ramrod,

Have you dried annealing the necks of the Rocky Mountain cases to forestall neck splits?  I'm just wondering if this would be successful in the event that I end up with a rifle for which my best brass option is RMC cases.

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Reply #8 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 9:56pm
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I haven't tried annealing; I suppose I ought to.  It didn't occur to me that annealing would help.  According to Nonte, turned brass has a different grain structure than drawn brass, and tends to be weaker and more prone to fracture.  Of course, at lead bullet pressures, this is not an issue unless the brass is worked by resizing and expanding.

I figure a nice thick grease cookie might allow a few shots to be fired with black powder before everything goes south.  I guess I could also try duplexing.  I haven't really wrung this rifle out yet.

Making a compression die for that shell should be something, even if not a "big" job.  I guess the cleaning could be done with a pipe cleaner.  My Maurer ceramic media won't go in there for sure.
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Re: .22-15-60 Reloading
Reply #9 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 10:45pm
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FWIW,
Here is some recommended loading data I found in
my copy of Phil Sharpe's Complete Guide to Handloading,
2nd ed 1937/1941:
All for 60 gr lead bullet:

Unique  3.4gr    1400fps  15,000psi,  Recomm: Hercules
FFg       15.0 gr.  No other data                         DuPont
Perhaps the Unique load will be something to try.
Phil listed other loads, but with long obsolete powders.
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Reply #10 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 11:20pm
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My old copy of COTW shows the same 3.4 grain charge of Unique used with a 60 grain bullet (Lyman 22636), but giving an estimated muzzle velocity of 1070.
  

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