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Ach Ex Member	New production Ballard rifles Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 1:41pm	Print Post
	I'm new here and this might be an old question. At one time a firm in Michigan was listed as a source for Ballard reproduction rifles. Are they still a current source? And....is the C. Sharps 1885 rifle seen much in Scheutzen matches? Thanks! Tom


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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 831 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #1 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 7:16pm	Print Post
	Re repopped Ballards, I assume you're referring to Ballard Arms (formerly located in Cody, Wyoming). Apparently they are no longer in business, tho there never was an official death notice posted anywhere.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #2 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 1:03am	Print Post
	Quote: And....is the C. Sharps 1885 rifle seen much in Scheutzen matches? Thanks! Tom I do not recall ever seeing one shooting anything other than a BP match which we have in addition to the ASSRA format matches at Tacoma.

	"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #3 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:07am	Print Post
	As far as C.Sharps their 1874s you can have a birthday waiting for the hammer to fall. The 1875s a little better but a poor trigger. The best of the lot is their 1885 Winchester high wall copy. it is something that you can work with. 40 Rod


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2932 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #4 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:32pm	Print Post
	CSA & Shiloh Sharps are the same from what I've seen. Some like one, some the other. Flip a coin. The 1875 does have a faster lock-time than an 1874 with all its additional parts that have to move in the 1874. A design problem. Plenty of CSA High Walls in BP competition, including a many-time nat'l BPCR champion, who switched from a '74 about 10yr ago. One drawback for Schuetzen with a CSA High Wall is that is offered with a SST as it is a coil-spring action. It is an excellent SST, but many prefer a DST. The current supplier of an 1885 (complete action or all the parts, only - not a finished rifle) is MVA. The MVA action is a flat-spring action, so they offer a DST & Helm lever. For Schuetzen, the DST can be worked down to a few ounces. The SST, though a fine trigger, cannot (in my experience) be reliably taken much below a pound.

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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1235 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #5 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:38pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:01pm: With any 1885; original or reproduction, you need to cross bolt the rear stock to eliminate vibrations. "Cross bolt" or thru bolt? SS

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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Ach Ex Member	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #6 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 2:07pm	Print Post
	Man, that photo sure does help! Are both ends of the bolt threaded? Is this something Joe average (whoever he is) can handle or must a gunsmith do this? Thanks! Tom


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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1235 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #7 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 1:12pm: The cross bolt goes between the tangs so a through bolt can be anchored to cinch the stock tight. Commonly referred to as either a "Cross bolt" or "Through Bolt" setup. I gunsmithing school we were taught that cross-bolts are like those seen in military bolt action rifle stocks or heavy caliber bolt rifles. Through bolts go through the stock to pull the stock tight to the reciever. Never heard of an anthor held by the tang screws referred to as being cross-bolts. I once won a case of beer from the German who argued with me about proper German terminology about the parts of a gun. In the end he conceeded but only after saying "Well, if you ask any German on the street..." Sloppy use of terminology causes problems. SS

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1235 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #8 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 12:53pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 12:50pm: It is a cross bolt installed between the tangs that anchor the through bolt attachment. It is NOT the TANG SCREWS that anchor the through bolt. Isn't it a "block" held in place by the tang screw that is used to anchor the thru-bolt?

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1235 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #9 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 3:12pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Isn't it a "block" held in place by the tang screw NO! You manufacture a cross bolt that screws into the tang for the block to spin on. You do not use tang screws to hold the block. Tang screws are "Wood Screws" and will not work for this application. Some tang screws may be wood screws, metal screws or a combination of both. Or would you call the tang screw (machine screw) in a Win 94 a "cross-bolt"? Cross-bolts usually go across and are not vertical in orientation. SS

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1235 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #10 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	From your link, this is exactly what I am talking about, a bolt connecting the tangs is not a cross-bolt.

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3666 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #11 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 5:07pm	Print Post
	Dave, to clear my mind- do you refer to a bolt that goes to the butt plate, such as found on a Savage 99, for instance? Or, I think what is found on the Ballard rifles? Maybe it's just a terminology quirk, but I've always referred to that sort of thing simply as a "stock bolt", the whatever through from side to side or top to bottom a thru bolt. Just terms I use.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3666 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #12 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	Thanks- now I think it's more understandable. I'm not going to wallow out my old stocks any time soon, but it's good to know there are ways to tighten them up without all the deep drilling.


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3043 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #13 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 11:19pm	Print Post
	Here is what someone did to my 1886 vintage 38-55 high wall. I say 1886 but there is no serial number left but the breach block has a horizontal drift pin securing the firing pin instead of the vertical screw. Jack

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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1235 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: New production Ballard rifles Reply #14 - Oct 9^th, 2015 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 4:01pm: tang cross bolt Now where did this term come from? SS

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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