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Wife and I getting back into the Game
Sep 6th, 2015 at 10:01pm
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After a long hiatus, the wife and I are getting back into the shooting game.  We purchased a pair of Browning 1885 BPCR - her's in 40-65 and mine in 45-70.  We're both looking to get into the black powder shooting pretty soon but I would like to start her out with some low recoil smokeless rounds.  I am sure there must be some recommendations out there.   

Appreciate recommendations for molds as well - am an experienced caster and have pretty much everything else I need for casting.   

Would also appreciate a link or reference to beginner BPCR equipment list and sources so I can start assembling that.   

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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 10:25pm
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For a light load,my Browning likes the 288 grain Lyman 405 Win bullet 412263 sized to .410 over 21.5 grains of SR4759.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 12:51am
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or that same bullet, or similar, backed by 10 - 12 grains of Unique.

Like shooting a .22 LR.
  

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Reply #3 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 8:37am
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Smoke wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 12:51am:
or that same bullet, or similar, backed by 10 - 12 grains of Unique.

Like shooting a .22 LR.


300gr with Unique 10.5 to 11 with 1/8" cork under the bullet.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:06pm
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I'm curious, what's the cork for?
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 7:22pm
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Smoke wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:06pm:
I'm curious, what's the cork for?


I find that it acts as a scraper - leaving the barrel much cleaner - more uniform shot-to-shot. 

It might could also assist in sealing.

It will raise pressure very slightly, a powder adjustment of 1/10 of a grain or so.

  

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Reply #6 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 7:50pm
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I use a .030 Walters Wad under the plainbase bullet. Serves as a gas check and it's more accurate with the wad.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:11pm
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I'll have to give those a try.   

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Reply #8 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:17pm
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There are a variety to choose from.

I've used 1/16 and 1/8" thick cork gasket (NAPA) and a variety of other materials (made a punch for .40 cal).

You will find the harder 'vegetable fiber' wads (hard to cut so the .030" is very workable).  I've gotten sheets of the material from McMaster-Carr.

There are a number of vendors that will sell pre-cut disks - good place to start.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 2:16pm
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Hope this helps.

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Reply #10 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 7:59pm
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When using reduced loads just keep in mind that very low density loads (meaning the ratio of powder volume to case volume) of fast smokeless powders under some conditions can create unusually high chamber pressures, possibly resulting in a blown up firearm.  So stay away from fast powders in reduced loads.  But even with slow burning powders seriously consider using fillers with reduced smokeless or even black powder loads.

If slow smokeless powder is used, in many situations fillers aren't required for shooting reduced loads for general plinking.  But I doubt anyone will disagree that even & consistent powder ignition is required for accurate loads.  Depending on several conditions: type & amount of powder, case capacity, orientation of rifle when fired, etc., fillers hold the powder against the primer & reduce powder burning variations that result in reduced accuracy.  But using the wrong type of filler can result in problems such as ringed chambers.  If a wad is used & the cartridge has a relatively large gap between the wad & bullet base, the wad can accelerate & hit the bullet base with sufficient force to ring the chamber after repeated firings, similar to what happens when a bullet hits a bore obstruction.  The same can happen if certain filler material are used such as synthetic pillow padding, kapok, plastic wrap, etc., that’s consists of mostly air.  It will quickly compress, forming a projectile that'll hit the bullet base similar to a wad with an air gap.  What you want is a filler that minimizes the amount of air.  Therefore, the filler should be compressed to eliminate the possibility of chamber ringing.  Since anything between the powder column and the bullet is a “filler”.  One can use cork, fiber wads, LDPE wads, wads punched out of milk cartons or cardboard, & many other substances.  But I recommend using stuff like corn meal or cream of wheat and compressing it slightly.

It’s highly unlikely that reduced loads of black powder will result in chamber ringing.  E.g, when breech seating with black powder there's normally a gap between the bullet & powder & I've never heard of breech seaters ringing the chamber.  In fact there was some extensive testing with reduced black powder loads by a well known Schuetzen shooter named Charles Dell.  He was unable to ring a chamber even when the chamber was made out of brass.  Charlie documented his ringing experiments in the book he coauthored with Wayne Schwartz titled, Modern Schuetzen Rifle.

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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2015 at 11:34pm
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Rather than take exception to my comments publicly, Chris PM'd me after reading my earlier comments on ringing chambers.  I requested his permission to post the comments here since readers should be able to see another viewpoint.  I do remember reading Charlie Dell's comments about making chamber rings without wads.

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    Charlie Dell pretty much de-bunked the "secondary projectile" hypothesis by making rings even without wads.   He and Bill Helbert found that symmetrical distribution of powder was the culprit, and demonstrated this by making rings by shooting straight up with no wads.   They also tied this to 19th century experiments by Vielle, and to Gerald Burrard's later work with shotgun barrels.   A column of gas under acceleration, or deceleration -- which is the same thing, has an exponential pressure distribution.  Earth's atmosphere is a case in point. Anyhow, a bullet base for the gas to decelerate against will give rise to a small region of VERY high pressure, provided that the gas column is homogeneously distributed.  (I'm afraid this may not be a clear statement)  Ignition of a symmetrical charge can provide this situation.  And the symmetrical charge is provided by the constraint of a wad on the powder.
     By the way, experiments that Charlie D. and I did with "fake gunpowder" made of chopped monofilament showed that the wad ended up in the MIDDLE of the powder charge by the time it got to the bullet, much to our surprise.  We were looking at the dings on bullet bases made by powder grains.
     The reason that I (and many others) get away with wads on the powder ln our schuetzen ctgs is owing to the strength of modern barrel steels.
    
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