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Re: 32-40 case damage
Reply #30 - Aug 19th, 2015 at 2:50pm
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Didn't someone report recently that they were finding wads (cork wads)? turned sideways in the bore after firing?  

I use cork wads with some BP loads. Wad is always at the base of the bullet. Always exits the bore, pretty sure.  Huh

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Reply #31 - Aug 19th, 2015 at 3:06pm
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Joe both myself and Barry Darr have discovered wads turned sideways in the barrel. I used to seat a wad behind the base of the bullet ( wad inserted in breach seater) and not in the case. This may or may not have been the cause but I quite using them in lieu of damaging a barrel and or myself. Its a tad freaky to look down the bore and see a wad about midway down the bore sitting there sidways.

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Reply #32 - Aug 19th, 2015 at 4:24pm
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These adhesive pure felt 5/16" wads protect the base of the bullets and will never reach the bore ... 
Felt can withstand maximum temperature 100 degree C OR 212 degree F. Anything higher will burn the felt and turn it into charcoal.
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Re: 32-40 case damage
Reply #33 - Aug 20th, 2015 at 7:59am
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Ok here is another fix for puckering case mouths. I had a Schoyen barreled gun in 38-55 that puckered cases all the time. I finally settled on belling the case mouth. One day at a match Charlei Dell asked why I was belling the case mouth before every shot. I explained here is what he told me and it worked like a charm. Put a wad at the case mouth and orient the powder to the front of the case. He told me that I would have to increase my charge slightly and he was right. Using 4227 I had to up the charge .2 but other than not puckering cases it shot the same.

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Re: 32-40 case damage
Reply #34 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 11:58pm
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I bell the case mouth occasionally. Standard 32-40 with a neck requires more attention than the straight tapered version. 
38-55 seems to need belling a little more often. Only needs just a tiny bit of bell. 

Have some rifles that never require belling. All have the straight tapered chamber with no neck section. 

Powder against the bullet base would make me nervous. I'd rather spend a few seconds belling. And those wads don't grow on trees.......  Roll Eyes

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Re: 32-40 case damage
Reply #35 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:08pm
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Here's a tip for carrying cases charged with loose powder to the range. Drop your powder charge in the case then PUT A CORK IN IT. Place the corked cases in whatever container works for you. I find plastic ammo containers that fit the rim size work well.
Buy corks online. In lots of 100, you should be able to find them for about 12 cents apiece. Rubber corks are a bit more. Either cork or rubber, they last for years.
Oh, by the way, sooner or later you will try to chamber a cartridge with the cork still in it. When it won't fully chamber, you will extract the case, spilling powder in the open action (the corks stays in the chamber). Most shooters only do this once however Wink
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Re: 32-40 case damage
Reply #36 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 2:14pm
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rgchristensen wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 7:10pm:
   What happens with a wad on the powder is that symmetrically confined powder will form a uniform front, which, when it impinges on a stationary object, forms a high pressure ring.   This wave reflects back down the bbl, with some of the high pressure gas passing on the outside of the now-relaxed cartridge case.    WHen the pressure wave progresses to the rear, the gas that has gotten on the outside of the case collapses the case.  A known way to prevent this is to slightly bell the neck of the case for each shot, so it is in contact with the chamber.
     When the powder is not symmetrically confined, this phenomenon will not occur.  This can be achieved by not putting the wad clear down against the powder.    Reading the experiments of Dell and Helbert will make this clear.    Charlie, e.g., found that the effect could be produced WITHOUT any wad at all, simply by firing the rifle straight up.  Charlies' practice was to seat the wad close to, but not touching the powder, thus promoting uniform ignition, and also placing a cork wad in the mouth of the case to prevent damage from powder grains impinging on the base of the bullet.  Whether the powder grains peening the base of the bullet is a problem or not is a whole 'nother controversy.

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     When Charlie was teaching me to shoot his 32/357 case breech seated, he had me seat a cork wad about .125" off the powder and use a waxed card wad (from an orange juice carton, IIRC) at the case mouth.  I later abandoned the card wad in favor of just using the cork-near-the-powder wad.  Did he do it differently with other calibers for some reason??

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