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Reply #15 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 12:59am
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kevo,
you don't need the expense of an adjustable mould.
if your rifle has an 18" twist, just get a bullet that is 1.4 to 1.450 long.
any longer and long range stability could be an issue in gusty weather.
8 lb seth cole 55w will add 0.005" to a bullet when wet patching, so get a roll of this.
get a n elliptical or money nosed mould 0.005 smaller than your bore diameter.
this will probably be 0.444, 0.445, or 0.446. you need to measure the bore.
patch the bullets using the hyde method, i.e. no tail.
droptube powder slowly into your case such that the top of your wad will be 1/8" from the top of the neck.
your necks might need a little sizing so that the bullet will finger seat nicely.
from here you can experiment with wads, primers, primer wads, patch length, compression, and many other things.
fior the money, baco give a lot of mould, and possibly will slightly customize diameter if you ask.
keep safe,
bruce.
  

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Re: Paper patched bullets smooth or grooved?
Reply #16 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 10:32am
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I shoot pretty much the way Bruce describes.  Same moulds and the same paper.  It works very well. 

If you are not 100% certain on the bullet diameter see if you can find some pin gauges in the .444" to .446" range.  Patch those and see if they fit snugly in the rifling ( not super tight, but ideally you'll want some resistance.  Then you'll know what size mould to order. 

If you have a Bagder, or Green Mountain barrel then a .446" with 8 lb Seth Cole will be a good starting point.  The only Shiloh I shoot paper patched bullets in is a heavy Tollofson class rifle and has a tight bore.  It needs .444" bullets with the 8 lb Seth Cole.

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Re: Paper patched bullets smooth or grooved?
Reply #17 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:32pm
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here is why you need to measure the bore.
my badger needs a bullet 0.445  diameter to patch to a nice sliding fit with 8 lb seth cole. 
I can use a 0.446 bullet as well, and do so when breech seating, but it is a bit tight for fixed ammo unless you have a fair bit of compression.
chris is right and I am right. Shocked we have both found what fits our barrels.
kal moulds will make you a beautiful elliptical to a custom diameter. 1.5 calibres is an ideal nose length for low drag balanced with the integrity it needs not to slump. you would need to contact him and discuss it.
one advantage of a non adjustable mould is that it is base pour, and can therefore have a lower drag nose.
nose pour moulds must have a flat nose to some degree due to how they work.
adjustables can be a pita to get the temperatures right for a good casting session.
also, flat base bullets are easier to get shooting than cup base.
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bruce.
  

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Reply #18 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 8:29pm
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Thanks for that info gents.  I had never heard of 8lb seth cole paper before.  That info must be stuck somewhere in the universe trying to reach Australia!  Cheers, Kevo
  
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