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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #45 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:29am	Print Post
	My old SAA 45 loves balloon head cases loaded with black powder.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11572 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #46 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:29am	Print Post
	All the new made brass is solid head. Good for high pressure, low pressure smokeless loads or black powder loads. Designed that way, on purpose Guessing the modern turned cases should be used for BP only. Suspect the heads are softer than drawn cases. Joe.
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11572 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #47 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:38am	Print Post
	Here's a RMC 38-55 case failure. Straight black powder. Gas cut a ring in the chamber. Joe.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3598 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #48 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:46am	Print Post
	Coincidentally, most of the balloon head cases I've got are pistol cases as well. Mostly, I was using those as a way to show that cases have become much better in our time. I do use some aged cases for my shooting- headstamps that are long gone. CIL, Western, Peters, etc. I sure wouldn't use any that are rare (into the collection, ya know), or those with goofy primer sizes. Joe is probably onto something with the turned cases. The Sharps shooters, or others with limited case availability, for instance might be tempted to use smokeless in them to get some oomph for a heavy bullet or something- might be a problem. I'm lucky that I have found suitable brass, or the makings of, without having to resort to the turned jobs. That'd be a new ball game with either type of powder, I suppose. Never ringed a barrel-yet. I aim to stay that way.


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2350 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #49 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:27am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:38am: Here's a RMC 38-55 case failure. Straight black powder. Gas cut a ring in the chamber. Joe. Wow. I wonder if there was a defect in the brass? Was it fired many times? I had a similar case failure, but much further up the case in WW .32-40 case. It had been shot a few hundred times. I don't remember if it was with BP or SR-4759. Mine might have been from being stretched from repeated firings though. There was no damage to the chamber. I'm surprised that it gas cut the chamber. I have an old highwall in .32-40 with a gas cut in the chamber maybe 2/3 the way up the case. I always assumed i was from a smokeless overload but obviously that's not necessarily true. Chris.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11572 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #50 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:59am	Print Post
	The brass had about five reloads on it, all straight BP. Rifle is a Cody Ballard with a sloppy chamber. Suspect the turned case cracked. Gas found the weak spot and flowed out cutting a ring in the chamber. Going to set that barrel back one of these days. Suspect the Badger barrel was chambered with an old spec reamer. So so accuracy with fixed BP. A real tack driver with breech seated smokeless loads. Joe.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #51 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	gunlaker wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:27am: westerner wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:38am: Here's a RMC 38-55 case failure. Straight black powder. Gas cut a ring in the chamber. Joe. Wow. I wonder if there was a defect in the brass? Was it fired many times? I had a similar case failure, but much further up the case in WW .32-40 case. It had been shot a few hundred times. I don't remember if it was with BP or SR-4759. Mine might have been from being stretched from repeated firings though. There was no damage to the chamber. I'm surprised that it gas cut the chamber. I have an old highwall in .32-40 with a gas cut in the chamber maybe 2/3 the way up the case. I always assumed i was from a smokeless overload but obviously that's not necessarily true. Chris. Have had that show up in a couple FACTORY loaded 30-30 cases at the first firing, but located slightly below the shoulder and in line with the bore axis instead of partly around the circumference of the case. No problems with the countless other reloaded cases from the same lot put through the same chamber. Even factory solid-head drawn brass can have defects.

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2923 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #52 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:39pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:38am: Here's a RMC 38-55 case failure. Straight black powder. Gas cut a ring in the chamber. Joe. That chamber can probably be "fixed" with a 38-56 reamer.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11572 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Smokeless loads - Shiloh Reply #53 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 9:31pm	Print Post
	That's a workable idea. Want to shorten the barrel two inches. At sixteen pounds is getting a bit heavy for me. Have the 38-55 reamer. Maybe I do it one day. Joe.

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