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Jul 4th, 2015 at 3:09pm
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Reply #1 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 3:32pm
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SM320? In stock Graph And Sons

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Thanks John. Order's in.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:42pm
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I have 3 bricks of V315.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 9:11pm
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Thank you Butch. I've gone with the 320, but am curious as to the difference. There's always something new to discover. 

I've learned that the "model designation number of Fiocci' originally referred to velocity in meters and; it appears that the V315,  intended for use in semi auto pistols, would be slightly slower than the SM (Super Match) 320.
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Reply #6 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 10:22pm
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whatever shoots best in your gun maker brand lot etc.

I had heard that Fiocchi-America was bought by whoever owns CCI.

Is this SM still being made in Italy same as the old stuff or is a re-lable of CCI product.

I've ordered a brick to test.  A couple of my rifles worked with it well and I'm getting really miserly with my last few hundred rounds of the older stuff.    I always wanted to try the SM 340 for offhand but never found more than a couple of 50 rd boxes
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 11:20pm
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Reply #8 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 1:56pm
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RayH wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 9:11pm:
Thank you Butch. I've gone with the 320, but am curious as to the difference. There's always something new to discover. 

I've learned that the "model designation number of Fiocci' originally referred to velocity in meters and; it appears that the V315,  intended for use in semi auto pistols, would be slightly slower than the SM (Super Match) 320.


I'm not sure as to the velocity. It says pistol Super Match. It has been segregated by rimsize. I don't think this is done any more. I bought a pick up load of ammo, brass, primers, powder, and several bricks of RF ammo.
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Reply #9 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 5:15pm
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There have been several designation system variations on the Fiocchi 22rf. match ammo   as far as I have been able to find out.  the 3 digit number designates nominal velocity in meters/second

I started shooting the Fiocchi a couple years ago and up until the "ammo panic"  the most recent and top quality was designated SM-XXX the "SM" standing for super match.  previous to that were was similar ammo---velocity wise in a mostly blue box marked "M"   I think the SM was a step up in quality from the M.  I have not run across and marked with a "V".   
My local arms and ammo purveyor was selling the SM 320 for just under 100$/brick (ten boxes of 50 rounds)  The older stock M-320 was going for a little under 75$   I bought some of it and in my bench rifles it gave about a 50% greater vertical spread than the newer SM ammo.   now they have added some new wording to the boxes---Exacta Winter, Exacta Biathalon in addition to the SM-xxx designation.    I have an email inquiry in to them trying to get a clarification about the nomenclature.
  

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It appears the "Exacta" designation might be an upgrade title tp the "Super Match". Kinda like "Tenex" is to (black box) "Match" in the Eley line. 
Butch - Thank you for putting out there your V315. I may be interested in it at some point; but, for now, have my hands full testing 8 different lots of Eley black box and the SM320's I have now and on order.
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Reply #11 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 6:59pm
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Exacta was the top of there line back in the early 90's. I still have a few boxes of it.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 8:14pm
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been emailing back and forth with one of the Graf's staff-----its still the Italian made stuff AND they didn't get bought out by CCI.   apparently there was some talk of merging marketing /distibution with one of CCI's owners  and that got the rumor started.

I'd love to find some Fiocchi match grade 22 RF SHORT  ammo;)
  

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Reply #13 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 8:57pm
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Maybe 4 years back, or maybe in one of those politically-induced buying panics, I bought four bricks of SM-200 from one of the big internet order places, maybe Midway.  The stuff is reasonably accurate.  Much the same as CCI Target Shorts.  Most interestingly, it has copper cases, not brass. 

I was in the midst of trying the stuff at 50 yards in my Winder, in our sorta dark shooting shed.  All of a sudden, there was a  loud crack and a bright flash that lit up the shed.  My friend said "what was that?" only with a lot more enthusiasm and with a couple of extra words.  We dropped the block and out came the SM-200 cartridge, with the bullet still crimped in the case mouth.  The top 1/4 of the cartridge case, between the rim and the bullet, had vaporized.

While experimenting, I pulled 5 of the bullets, using a Waltz shell holder in my C press and holding the bullet with bent nose pliers.  #s 1, 2, 3 & 5 worked OK, with the bullet popping right out.  With #4, the cartridge case pulled in half.  I wound up with the bullet still crimped in the front half of the case.

When I run a patch through the barrel after an afternoon's shooting, I think I see ground glass on the patch.

Chronograph results, mid point 10 feet from the muzzle:  Avg velocity = 797.4 fps.  Standard Deviation = 16.7 fps.  Extreme spread = 65 fps.  Data for 55 shots.

I have also tried Fiocchi Normale, the pre-SM-200.  None of the above happened with that stuff.

If you are looking for an alternative to CCI, I would recommend the military surplus stuff from Poland.
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:04pm
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I contacted one source i was aware of for that Polska stuff a year or so back.   I get periodic messages that they are still "waiting for another shipment".

I actually like the CCI copper flashed hollow point stuff----weight sorted it shoots just as good as the plain lead "target" version.
  I've become about convinced that most of the American 22rf mfgs simply cull out the under-weight rounds, figure they are light on powder and so slower---and sell them as "target/sport" ammo.  Or they are deliberately load them light so the velocity is 900fps +/_ and sell as "target"   pocketing the savings on powder gleefully. 
I really don't think they are taking any real extra measure to assure real accuracy anymore. They have surrendered the "precision" market to the foreign makers---not enough profit in it.  They're just churning it out as fast and as cheaply as possible for the hoarders and the 20-round magazine crowd.   JMHO of course.
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