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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 435 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Enforcer/4100....the same? again.... Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 12:15am	Print Post
	I put out a call locally for 4100/Enforcer, which I have seen claimed to be identical in my searches herein. I've been offered a 4 lb keg, a quantity a bit too much on an experimental basis. So, can anyone here empirically affirm that Enforcer is identical to 4100?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7624 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Enforcer/4100....the same? again.... Reply #1 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 12:43am	Print Post
	I can't totally totally affirm it but, at least one person on this forum has call and was told that it is. When you have loading data that is exactly the same with both pressure and velocity (not 1 lb or 1 fps off), it's hard to say that it isn't. Now, I'll tell you the other side: When I went down to Modesto to shoot, two years ago, I compaired my Enforcer with Jerry's 4100 and visually, they didn't look the same, very simular both have very small, ball granuals but, not the same. Color is a little different, too. I run QL for my 30/30 Wesson and the data base for the powders has both. 11.0 gr, BSed 180 gr lead bullet: Enforcer 1409 FPS, 14,032 PSI 4100 1337 FPS, 12,330 PSI My only thought is that maybe they where different, in the first years but, they were so close, they droped one and renamed the other? All that said, they should, now be the same. Buy it, if you don't like it, I'll purchase it from you for what you paid, you can't lose anything, that way. Frank

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JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1323 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: Enforcer/4100....the same? again.... Reply #2 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:13am	Print Post
	I have been in contact with Western Powder. They distribute both AA4100 and Ramshot Enforcer. According to them, without a doubt, the two powders are the same. This from a representative at Western powder. Don't rely on my word though. Call Western Powder to ease your mind. I wouldn't trust them though. Sell it to me for some testing. I'll return the unused portion after testing at no charge. Seriously, I think you're good to go. Call Western powder just to be sure. JerryH
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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Enforcer/4100....the same? again.... Reply #3 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:19am	Print Post
	I had heard the same thing so when I found 4 pounds at a gunshow I pounced on it. The next weekend I went out with 4100 and the Enforcer and shot a test. I shot 5 shots with my best load for 4100 in my 32-30 IMP and then 10 shots over the chronograph. I then changed powder bottles shot 5 more shots to settle the powder and then ran 10 shots over the chronograph. The two strings showed identical velocities. The groups printed in the same place and the groups were pretty much the same. If you decide not to take it PM me and I’ll take it all in a heartbeat. 40 Rod


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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 435 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: Enforcer/4100....the same? again.... Reply #4 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 10:20am	Print Post
	Thanks gentlemen. I'll pick it up for.....Science! Mike

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Enforcer/4100....the same? again.... Reply #5 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	Burn rates for Ramshot powders ... Look at RQ 60 & 61 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Look at RQ 60 Also look at 104 & 114 ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Also ADI says they are both equivalents! *Pentz ... Bookmark for future references*


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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 435 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: Enforcer/4100....the same? again.... Reply #6 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 11:26pm	Print Post
	Quote: Burn rates for Ramshot powders ... Look at RQ 60 & 61 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Look at RQ 60 Also look at 104 & 114 ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Also ADI says they are both equivalents! *Pentz ... Bookmark for future references* Thanks. Powder is in hand. Now maybe I can crank up the velocities a bit. FWIW it's a little slower than 2400 - my CF cast bullet go-to. A shame it seems not to do well in 32-20.

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RayH Oldtimer Offline Posts: 756 Location: Oldest City, FL Joined: Jan 4^th, 2012	Re: Enforcer/4100....the same? again.... Reply #7 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:10am	Print Post
	Pentz- You are one lucky fella to have scored that powder. And, I must add, a sharp operator to buy it. If you ever decide you don't like it or you find a source for more, just let me know. I'd like to be 1st. in line.

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