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Winchester 296 for 32-40 loads
Jun 27th, 2015 at 8:11pm
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I have about 4 lbs. of Winchester 296 Ball powder that I used to use for loading my .410 for Skeet . Someone awhile back mentioned that it could or used to be used a lot for the 32-40 WCF ? I have a CPA rifle using a Hoch mold 200 gr. bullet . I found load data for H110 which is supposed to be the same powder . The 296 does not meter well in my lee Perfect powder measure , this powder is like fine dust and leaks from around the measure . It sure fills the cases a lot less than IMR 4227 . Any experience with the 296 ? The plastic jug reads 296 Ball powder for magnum pistol loads . Thanks .
  
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Re: Winchester 296 for 32-40 loads
Reply #1 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 9:25pm
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I've used 296 in my 32/40's with excellent success. 12.5 gr was a good load and I have taken it to 13.0.

Rick McHale, one of the best shooters in Modesto uses it and wins his share of matches there.

In chrono tests, i got single digit ES using F150 primers. 

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Reply #2 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:24pm
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Frank, was that with fixed ammo? I always thought that 296 and similar needed full charges or at least bullet resistance to get good ignition. With single digit numbers, you were sure getting good ignition. Maybe I'm just goofed up.
  
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Re: Winchester 296 for 32-40 loads
Reply #3 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 1:18am
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The small metering chamber in a Ohaus measure works very well for small ball powders like WW296, WC820, AA#9 or H110. All almost the same powder.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 1:30am
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calledflyer wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:24pm:
Frank, was that with fixed ammo? I always thought that 296 and similar needed full charges or at least bullet resistance to get good ignition. With single digit numbers, you were sure getting good ignition. Maybe I'm just goofed up.


No, that is breech seated. 296 & H110 have always gotten a bad rap about reduced loading. It does apply to revolvers though and Hodgdon has never clearified the issue. BUT, if you'll look up Hodgdons load data, you fine the very load that I recommended.

The pressure loss in the cylinder gap of revolvers is where the problem exists with reduced loads. It can flame out and leave a bullet in the barrel.

296/H110 has been used in Schuetzen loads, since at least the 1980's with no issues.

I collect powder measure and had a Lee at one time. I got rid of it because it leaked ball powders. 

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Reply #5 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 1:30am
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As we happen to have a current thread on Win 296 in .32-40 and a current thread on primers, I'd like to share some recent experience with both.

First, 296.  Rick MacHale has successfully used 296 as a .32-40 load for quite some time.  Rick shoots a CPA rifle with an 11.5 twist RKS gain twist barrel and uses a 235 grain Paul Jones bullet.

I have a vintage .32-40 FBW rifle with a 16 twist barrel.  My bullet is a 204 grain Darr.

I have not been able to make 296 work - at all!  Powder charge and primers make no difference.  It doesn't work.  I speculate that Rick's success with 296 is due to the 235 grain bullet allowing the 296 powder to develop pressures that are not possible with a 204 grain bullet.

So, to address the question of whether or not 296 is good for use in .32-40, the answer is to a great degree dependent upon the configuration of the rifle.

However, the selfsame vintage FBW rifle is very happy when loaded with 15.2 grains of 4100.  And, it is quite tolerant of variations in primers.

This morning, I shot a series of five-shot groups at 200 yards using different primers: Federal 210, Winchester WLR, CCI 200, Federal 155 GMM magnum, and Remington 2 1/2.  The vertical dispersion for each different primer ranged from 3/4" to 7/8".  At the end, I shot a six-shot group with each shot alternating between Federal 210 and Remington 2 1/2 primers.  The vertical dispersion for this group was 3/4".

The final thoughts for all this is that (1) a happy load is likely to be primer tolerant, and (2) an unhappy load can not be rehabilitated by primer choice.

Notice the absence of Remington 9 1/2 primers for the list.  I don't trust those boogers.

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Reply #6 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:23am
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What is the issue with Rem 9 1/2 primers? (that the 2 1/2s don't have).
I have a fair supply of the 9 1/2. . .
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 9:20am
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gewehrfreund wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:23am:
What is the issue with Rem 9 1/2 primers? (that the 2 1/2s don't have).
I have a fair supply of the 9 1/2. . .


Remington 9 1/2 primers have a very high brissance (burn rate).  Sort of a magnum, magnum primer.  This may or may not be meaningful in breech seating.   

My problem is just observed inconsistency in the lots of 9 1/2 primers that I've  used - altogether too many otherwise-unexplained high and low shots.  I just don't trust them to perform.  Others may have had had much better experiences.

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Reply #8 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 9:32am
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Thanks. That may explain what I have thought was just poor shooting on my part, or just poor loads/powder choices.
Looks like I need to investigate further.
  
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Re: Winchester 296 for 32-40 loads
Reply #9 - Jul 2nd, 2015 at 11:30pm
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gewehrfreund wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 9:32am:
Thanks. That may explain what I have thought was just poor shooting on my part, or just poor loads/powder choices.
Looks like I need to investigate further.



Thanks - same with me - might explain some fliers.  Dang, and I bought 1K of them.....
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 7:06am
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JackHughs - Am I correct in recalling your very successful use of Remington 7 1/2s in your .32-20CPA a couple of years back? Or is a ton of "information overload" getting the best of me?
  

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Re: Winchester 296 for 32-40 loads
Reply #11 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 1:34pm
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RayH wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 7:06am:
JackHughs - Am I correct in recalling your very successful use of Remington 7 1/2s in your .32-20CPA a couple of years back? Or is a ton of "information overload" getting the best of me?


Hi,

I did use Remington 7 1/2 primers in the .32-40 CPA.  They were quite good in the application.  However, the hands-down best primers were Federal 205 Gold Medal Match.

My first choice in any application is a Federal Gold Medal Match primer, but the dang things are all but impossible to find anymore.

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