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Re: 30-40 in a High-wall
Reply #15 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 10:41am
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I've always been fascinated by the 30-40 chambering for the high wall.  Supposedly Harry Pope used one (a factory model) for his deer hunting.  There's no reason a high wall in this caliber shouldn't be a great rifle for just about any North American big game, and with the right sights should also do well for schuetzen.  I've had a NOS small primer breech block and 30-40 extractor in my high wall parts bin for about 20 years now in hopes of someday building one.

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Reply #16 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 7:31pm
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Today only 5 months later than my last post, I took it to a silhouette match for the first time even though I didn't have any sight settings for the animals. I had the 311291s for 50 and 100 meters and 311332s for 150 and 200 meters. The fluorescent paint on the slimmed front post worked great and allowed the top of the post to be separated from the black bellies of the animals. Practice time allowed just enough time to get rough settings on the old Lyman 2a for the animals and figured to refine them as the match went on. Finished with only 27 animals but got some refined settings including moving the front sight over a bit. I really liked shooting it and hope to do better next time.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 14th, 2016 at 1:41am
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Try either the lyman 311299 or the 314299 which was originally developed for the 303 British cartridge. one or the other should give you good accuracy. And maybe upping the powder charge with the 4759. I use 20.0  grains with the 314299 in my Finn model 27 Moisin nagant rifle. Frank
  
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Re: 30-40 in a High-wall
Reply #18 - Mar 14th, 2016 at 11:51am
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I have a HW in 30/40 Imp. It's also been throated and I have only shot it BSed with cast but, I also have a Krag with a Redfield #70, rear sight and the original front post.

I only tried one bullet in it, the 311413, using 4759. I tested loads from 18.5 - 20.0 and the 18.5 gr load gave me the best accuracy at 1.5", 5 shot group @ 100.

While I wouldn't recommend the 311413 bullet, I would recommend the older 311299 or the newer 314299. They both will cast ~.313 in 20/1. The new 311299 might also work, if the nose is at least .301. The 18.5 gr charge should work with that bullet, too and of coarse, use Rem 2 1/2 primers Smiley

Also, as a help to a aiming point, this is what I use, with the sight set about 3" high on a 6 o'clock hold. You can fold the bottom "V" to any width point that you want and fold, either on the 8.5 or 11" width. I fold it and staple on a clean backer, to get sighted in. 

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Re: 30-40 in a High-wall
Reply #19 - Mar 14th, 2016 at 1:28pm
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I like my Krag/wall too. Almost only shoot jackets in mine. Has a Marble's tang and a gold bead- hunter sights.
Mostly wanted to say that method of open sight setting Frank showed is clever. Never saw it, but see right off how well it would work. Smart fella, that Frank. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #20 - May 4th, 2017 at 8:21pm
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Here we are almost 2 years later and I'm still playing with it. I found a 311284 mold that Hiwall55 liked and initial results were not great. The bullet is so long and blunt and my rifle's throat so tight that I had to seat the bullet with the nominal crimp groove way down in the neck. I had loaded some rounds with SR4759 and Hiwall55's choice H4198 and the day I picked to shoot was so nasty that I didn't get around to shooting the H4198 loads and the SR4759 ones were not great. So not great, in fact, that I put the mold up for sale here. Fortunately no one wanted it. After a while said I would put it on the Bay. Well, again fortunately, I never got around to it. Why fortunately? Today I took some loads to the range with a new bullet I had cast and half the box had the H4198 loads with 311284 that I didn't shoot last time. I was shooting at 100 yards with the old Lyman #2 tang and a post front. After shooting the new ones with reasonably encouraging results I thought I might as well shoot the 311284 loads with the H4198 to clear the brass. The loads were 19.5, 20.0, 20.5 and 21 grains. 19.5 wasn't too bad, 20.0 was better, 20.5 was getting very interesting at around 1.5 inches and 21 was, well, here's the target. That's .8 inches for the 5 and I came home and deleted the for sale ad on the mold.
  
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Reply #21 - May 4th, 2017 at 9:44pm
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Here's a pic of the subject rifle.
  
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Reply #22 - May 4th, 2017 at 10:41pm
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That's how my Shiloh shoots that bullet. last month at a buffalo Shoot we went 15 chickens straight at 300 yards off the bench.
  
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Reply #23 - May 4th, 2017 at 11:39pm
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Beautiful rifle and great wood. Never saw a high wall done up like that but in this case looks really nice. Thanks for sharing. My 30-40 is an old 1898 chopped rifle that I picked up close to 30 years ago. When I first started cleaning the barrel I would have sworn the rifling actually got deeper after each session of cleaning. Frank
  
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Re: 30-40 in a High-wall
Reply #24 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 9:24pm
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oneatatime. great Rifle. That is only the second Hi Wall I have seen fitted into a one pc stock. The first was a Hi Wall from N.H. and it was a Anschuts 1413 stock that had been reworked to accept the Single Shot action. Guy did well 
but fellow with a 30-40 Krag on a British Martini by Creihton Audette just plain smoked him and also the rest of the line. Regards FITZ OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Re: 30-40 in a High-wall
Reply #25 - Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:10am
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Oneatatime,
Don't know how I missed this 1st, 2nd or even the third time around??  Huh  I'm like many on here and if a new one pops up I generally catch it...
I've always thought the one piece stocks for a single shot action were repulsive.  After seeing this one, it's on my list now to give it a try.  Does this particular HW have the scalloped sides or is it a slab side? Is the stock bolt lug it's primary recoil lug?  I'm having a time trying to envision the grip fit area that generally provides recoil bearing surface.
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Re: 30-40 in a High-wall
Reply #26 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:54am
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Greg, it's weird. The sides of the action are smooth now but the scallops may have been removed. The top tang is cut 1.75 inches aft the action shoulders and the lower tang .5 inch past the shoulders. The Lyman tang sight is cut off and the remaining tail of it you can see past the rear screw covers a large wood screw. It appears that the shoulders of the action inletted into the stock get the recoil. You can read about the stocker, Farr, in the Landis book and you can see the 1940's touches to the stock. I've never had it out of the stock. The way it shoots, I'm afraid to disturb anything;-) I should add a top and bottom pic.
  
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Re: 30-40 in a High-wall
Reply #27 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 12:22pm
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Don't take anything apart! But at sometime if you can take a few pictures I'd like to see a top and bottom view.

The only way I can envision this action being inletted is if the rear half was machined off square like I have this casting marked. Personally I'd never consider doing that to an original and I'd struggle even doing it to a good casting but I know times are different now.
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Reply #28 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 12:43pm
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Greg, I think that is what he did. This was obviously his hunting rifle and he didn't go to the lengths he did with his target rifles but it all worked out. It looks like the stock is made so that the action/barrel just drops in.
  
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Reply #29 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 12:56pm
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I think I have my mind around it now, thanks for the pictures.
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