ASSRA Forum - recoil

dsm Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Location: stillwater mn Joined: Sep 5^th, 2014	recoil Jun 7^th, 2015 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	seems prevailing opinion says a heavier body can handle more recoil. i disagree. i think a lighter person will move with the recoil wheras a heavier person will absorb more recoil. opinins??


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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: recoil Reply #1 - Jun 7^th, 2015 at 11:59pm	Print Post
	I think that might be true if the recoil was directed at center of mass. As we are all about the same from head to shoulder, I think any difference is minimal.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: recoil Reply #2 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 2:48am	Print Post
	It really boils down to some being more recoil sensitive than others and really has nothing to do with one's build. There are some pretty small framed Women shooting 45-70's in BPCR SillyWett and some very large framed men shooting 38-55's.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: recoil Reply #3 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 3:42am	Print Post
	Mass, inertia, applied force, elastic collisions?

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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7586 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: recoil Reply #4 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:00am	Print Post
	Everybody is recoil sensitive, might not admit it but fact is you are. May not show up in a few shots or even dozens of shots. Shoot high volume at some point recoil is going to have a negative effect. Firearm that delivers adequate ballistics on target and has the least recoil is going to give the best results in competition. Lot of ways to mitigate the effect. Gun weight, projectile weight, powder charge, gun fit, position and probably more. One of the best ways to reduce the effect is to look carefully at the "Adequate Ballistics" Most shooters hit targets harder than needed with negative results. Boats


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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 422 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: recoil Reply #5 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:19am	Print Post
	For me, type of recoil and stock fit matters. I begin to tire in modified military cast matches by 90-100 rounds of '06 with 16.5 gr 2400 under a 200 gr. bullet. Conversely, my bench CPA 32-20 makes me edgy after 60-70 rounds, perhaps due to the high magnification and 3-oz trigger. Mostly a mental game although sporadic bursitis in the shoulder factors in as well.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1699 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: recoil Reply #6 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:31am	Print Post
	Recoil can affect a shooter in several ways. First, is the effect of shooter pain. If you are anticipating that your next shot is going to cause pain, you will likely start slapping the trigger rather than concentrating on a good let off and follow through. This occurs a lot in BPCR. Another is that constant reminder that builds up in your head every time the gun goes off and eventually your brain says, "I don't want to do this again" which leads to a flinch. Happens a lot to trap shooters. One more thing which can happen to shooters but is not necessarily due to recoil is a problem with a "fear of missing". You're firing a perfect score and have one round left. Not being able to handle the pressure and you may end up pulling the shot. Happens to people in a lot of sports.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2923 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: recoil Reply #7 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:37am	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 2:48am: It really boils down to some being more recoil sensitive than others and really has nothing to do with one's build. There are some pretty small framed Women shooting 45-70's in BPCR SillyWett and some very large framed men shooting 38-55's. +1. Am amazed at a couple of our shooters who weigh ~150# and shoot 45-90s and, what appears to me, the beating they take doing so. But, the proof is on the score-card.

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KAF Ex Member	Re: recoil Reply #8 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 11:21am	Print Post
	No matter what you are shooting, Long range, short range, bench or cross stick, take the weight to the limit allowable by whatever rules you are shooting under. Recoil WILL tire you no matter what. Mercury recoil suppressors work very well.


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I think Mr. Louis summed it up when he said

It really boils down to some being more recoil sensitive than others and really has nothing to do with one's build.

The question seems to be about heavier vs. lighter builds and how much we move during recoil, not sensitivity

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LONG RANGE Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 414 Location: CHERRY VALLEY, CA Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2013	Re: recoil Reply #10 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	What bothers me the most about recoil is the shot I get to my right cheek. I have to press my cheek against the butt stock to look through the peep sight and when I pull the trigger I know I am going to take a shot from Mike Tyson. It comes in the form of a vicious left hook. I have one of those recoil pads on the cheek piece of my rifle and it helps a little but then, Iron Mike wore gloves.


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3899 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: recoil Reply #11 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	LONG RANGE wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 2:30pm: What bothers me the most about recoil is the shot I get to my right cheek. I have to press my cheek against the butt stock to look through the peep sight and when I pull the trigger I know I am going to take a shot from Mike Tyson. It comes in the form of a vicious left hook. I have one of those recoil pads on the cheek piece of my rifle and it helps a little but then, Iron Mike wore gloves. That is ONE of the reasons for growing a beard - the stock just SLIDES on one's whishers. Learned that with the 458 Win Mag.

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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: recoil Reply #12 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	Mr. Louis, Actually, I was agreeing with you. We have seen enough of people trying to "correct" others lately. I was just trying to stay on point, but free expression of ideas is one thing I enjoy about this forum. No apologies required, I always enjoy your expertise and knowledge. FWIW, in my experience with handgun shooting, a lower center of gravity seems to help stabilize one's stance. I've been in training for years.
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LONG RANGE Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 414 Location: CHERRY VALLEY, CA Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2013	Re: recoil Reply #13 - Jun 9^th, 2015 at 12:16am	Print Post
	rafter, with those beauties one could put up with a little push back. You gave me something to dream about tonight.


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Swamp Rat Participating Member Offline It's all different .. but not much has changed Posts: 37 Location: Miami, Florida Joined: Jul 1^st, 2012	Re: recoil Reply #14 - Jun 21^st, 2015 at 9:00am	Print Post
	I think there are times that throwing a stick in the fire just starts something up... (but sometimes it doesn't do anything) At that risk my .02 cents is that "Movement", and "Absorption" have to be considered as be two separate things. "Absorption" would seem to me to mean a cushioning and distribution of the force (recoil) being applied and incredibly difficult to calculate; "Absorption" would vary greatly due to differences of body construction and density, size and body geometric differences. Even given two individuals of same size and weight and there can still be extreme differences in bone and tissue construction. "Movement" due to recoil can be comparative only if you simplify ..... identical size, construction of two bodies, but with difference of mass and body weight. Given recoil force consistent and equal, equal force is applied to both. The heavier body would move less and slower, the lighter person will move more and faster. Differences in "Absorption" give different perceived recoil.. Differences in Ability (due to strength, stamina, aptitude,) render comparisons inconsistent with an individual's ability to manage the recoil force. Everybody is different - so there shouldn't be any surprises that everybody manages recoil differently... and when having to manage repetitive recoil it is apparent that each individual's abilities are often inconsistent even to themselves. I hope that didn't toss too big of a ball of wax into the fire .. not my intention. Only wanted to say that when given a lot of subjective differences you cannot make truly meaningful comparisons.

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