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Jun 6th, 2015 at 10:08am
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Just wondering if anyone here knows anything about this type of gun. A fellow here in Canada has it, an would like to know a little history about this type of rifle, or it a one off?
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Reply #1 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 11:05am
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Tom,  That is one you need for a new rebar barrel. ..  great looking rifle.   Looks like it would shoot fixed ammo like the A yet Aydt, etc.

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Reply #2 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 12:28pm
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Well Bruce, I don't think id change anything .
I thought some of the german gun experts may shed some light....... Westerner ?????
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 12:28pm
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They came around in the mid-1870s.  I see a few now & again.  They appeared about the same time as the drawn brass case with the Mauser A base design.  Most are made for short, fat cartridges too big for revolvers.  9.4x47R is the caliber most often seen.  Also 10mm & 11mm bores.  36 mm case length is also found.

You need to start out with a chamber cast.  After that, maybe we can help.

Is there a rear sight?
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 4:04pm
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Looks like a rifle made for shooting wood eagle targets off the top of a pole.  Cannot think of the name just now. Should be a very large caliber.

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Reply #5 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 5:00pm
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Tom:

Cliff Henderson has a rifle that looks similar to this one.

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Reply #6 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 7:40pm
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It's a VOGELBÜCHSE.  Sometimes a club rifle mounted on a pedestal. You pay your money and take your shot at the eagle. Still at least one club in Germany doing it. They use a huge tower on a hinge. At the top of the tower the wooden eagle sits under a large steel shield. 

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Reply #8 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 9:26pm
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Thanks guys once again everything answered 
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He is a happy man now trying to find someone who can read German to him...... so he wont be bothering me..Thnx
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Reply #9 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 10:19pm
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If he's using Google Chrome, the site can be translated to English. It's a good read.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 11:15pm
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Joe,

What a great historical find to show those Mauser pics.  Thanks,

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Reply #11 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 11:23pm
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The 2013 winner, crown and all, has so much tin on him, he looks like he's wearing a suit of armor. He makes that fellow from Brooklyn look like a beginner. If I had that much iron (like that's gonna happen!), I'd be embarrassed wearing it all at once.
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 10:55am
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If you look at the historical data you'll find that in Germany the sport we call "Schuetzen" was not as narrowly restrictive as we have interpreted it here.   Basically it was simply formal offhand target competition at roughly 200 yards.
There were also some VERY old traditional shoots that developed in the bow and arrow and crossbow eras that envolved shooting live birds tethered to a tall pole or church steeple.  (probably also an ancestor of the american live turkey shoots)  later it evolved into shooting a wooden bird to pieces. 
In parts of Europe it is still done with bows and highly evolved crossbows.  With guns large slow moving bullets were all that was required to knock a wooden bird apart at relatively close range.  Scoring was based on the parts knocked off or sometimes by the collective weight of the splinters each shooter knocked free, collected and weighed,

However they also also had offhand target matches for military class rifles including the very early bolt actions,  Some were strictly "military class" and some were for dedicated target versions.  ( Overgaard (SP?) in his series of articles we reprinted some time ago in the ASSRA Journal refers to buying a bolt rifle and a supply of ammo to be used during his European shooting adventures--and shipped back to the US on his return
   Some of these early single shot sporting bolt actions were created with stocks, grip "levers", double set triggers, and diopter sights and chambered for the "standard" target rifle cartridges just like the single shot target rifles of the of the era, big bore black powder early culminating with the 8.15x46r (the metric version of the .32-40 schuetzen cartridge)

if you look through the "off-topic" you will find some additional discussion of these "bolt action schuetzen rifles". 
The discussions are there because the ASSRA rules expressly forbid single shot bolt action rifles to keep the 52s and 40x etc rifles out of the matches (which I agree with) and the site's practices and procedures follow the ASSRA guidelines. This thread may find a home there as well
At the time the organization was formed in the late 1940's the vintage original Euro-versions of single shot bolt action schuetzen rifles were almost unknown here.  
Personally I'd love to own and shoot one myself and (as an individual) have some mixed feelings about the rules-----if applied to the TRADITIONAL ORIGINAL bolt action schuetzen sporting rifles
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Reply #13 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 11:17am
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Westerner, THANKS for that link!!!  have you or Biggi ever shot there?

calledflyer;  I'd bet that they take every Koenig medal and chain going back to 18-whatever  out of the trophy cases to adorn the years "king".   hen must be healthy young man just to stand up wearing it.
I'm also guessing that the "arial" target shoot is just one part of their program.  Looks like a great place to visit.
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 3:03pm
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In the pictures of the 1993 tech/instructors,I did notice that the young man with the Germanic AFRO,was showing the shooter where to put the round, to shoot the "BIRD" Embarrassed sorry just had to inject that observation.
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