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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1822 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Major Ned H. Roberts (d.1948) Reply #30 - Jun 7^th, 2015 at 12:12pm	Print Post
	Litl red, The intermittant appearance of IMR 4759 in loading data and manuals is because it has, over the last umpteen yrs been alternately into and out of production. Latest is that it was again being discontinued at end of 2014. Great stuff. Lucky I have most of a 12# keg of orig DuPont IMR 4759. I suppose I should be using it more. beltfed/arnie


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krusty1 Ex Member	Re: Major Ned H. Roberts (d.1948) Reply #31 - Jun 8^th, 2015 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 12:31pm: Ned Roberts was a pretty good writer when writing on muzzleloaders. His book the Muzzleloading Caplock Rifle is excellent and a must for any gun owner. His later works on breechloading rifles is really little more than descriptions of various rifles. His second book with Ken Waters has some disastrous and potentially dangerous load information that has never been fixed. To be fair Ned got loads from friends and passed them along apparently never understanding they were wrong. Waters should have known and it is a mystery why he never edited them out. I know that Ned is credited with developing the .257 Roberts but I wonder how much of that was his work and how much was the work other more knowledgeable shooters incorporated in his work. 40 Rod


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3001 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Major Ned H. Roberts (d.1948) Reply #32 - Jun 10^th, 2015 at 4:43am	Print Post
	Most discussions of Roberts' writings never mention the 1941 edition of Phil Sharpe's Complete Guide to Handloading. The 1941 edition has what Sharpe called a Supplement, 7 chapters taking the handloading scene from 1936-37 to late 1941. Chapter VI of the Supplement is titled "The Match, Free or Schuetzen Rifle" by N.H. Roberts. Sharpe wrote that he was asked by Lucien Cary why he had not included Schuetzen loads in the 1937 edition. Roberts was present when the question was asked and agreed to write the chapter. Sharpe then wrote "this Chapter is passed along just as it was written", thereby dodging responsibility, at least in 1941. The table of loads in Chapter VI includes the same loads discussed in this thread for the 33-40 and 32-40, plus loads of 4759 and 4227 for the 28-30 that I do not consider safe for my Stevens 47 with a 44 action. It also recommends loads using King's Semi-Smokeless. In the body of the book, Sharpe advises anyone who has that stuff "to carefully pour it down the nearest storm drain, followed by a lot of water".


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krusty1 Ex Member	Re: Major Ned H. Roberts (d.1948) Reply #33 - Jun 11^th, 2015 at 12:48am	Print Post
	Hi all, An Old guy, who started out with Ned Roberts book on the calock rifle. The first muzzle loader I built, was by the book of the cap lock rifle.This was 50 years ago, the barrel my friend gave me was a J. Henry & son's 52 Cal.He said he pulled it out of the ground in a old Italian's garden that was using it for a hose stake.The bore was a mess where it was in the ground.the top half was good enough to cast a cutter for the riffling.This was my first attempt at making a muzzle loader with the help of Ned Roberts book. After that, I built a few more including the Gorning under hammer in the back of the book.I have in my collection I have a rifle that is signed C. Gove who Ned mentions in his book, it too is a 52 Cal. as close as I can measure.It is I believe, a Chunk gun as it's barrel was 1 1/16" across the flats and 30" long. The half stock was tiger stripe Maple with a forend cap. There is more but I will save it for another time. I was bit bad by Ned's book, then to others.


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