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RSI Pressure Trace in the mail, Swede Roller
May 28th, 2015 at 10:00am
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My RSI Pressure Trace is in route. Planning on doing some significant testing on the 8x58RD with slow smokeless to find "THE" powder which will give all of us the ability to load at least cast full weight bullets at the full potential of the cartridge.

I want nothing to do with a pinch of Unique at 200 fps! It was designed to do 2k fps, there is no reason it cant do that except investment and Ill try to do my part in making that investment.

I may need some bullet support, as in need some samples from a variety of molds as I only have 2 8MM molds at this point..... and the Pressure Trace system plus balance of the powder/primers/brass and dies have all dipped into my pocket deeply already.

Hoping I can get some crowd funding in the form of donated bullets (cast only, have no desire at this time to find jacketed load data, nor the funding to burn through that much money).

Still have to pull a barrel and chuck up on lathe to make the knoxform full round for dimensional/strain gauge attributes. Otherwise shortly Ill be ready to go to the range and get to work.

If ANYONE has a LIVE NORMA 8x58RD (ROLLING BLOCK PRESSURE, NOT KRAG AMMO) cartridge that they can donate or SELL at a modest price, Id REALLY BE INTERESTED.
This is a smokeless 196gr cartridge that I need full confirmation it is FACTORY/ORIGINAL and from a lot that is NORMA "REMINGTON" labeled ammo.


I need a proof trace round to validate the starting point. Ive never seen one come up for sale, ever!!

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Re: RSI Pressure Trace in the mail, Swede Roller
Reply #1 - May 28th, 2015 at 6:09pm
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If you know the bullet weight, seating depth, barrel length and desired muzzle velocity, you can work out powder choices and charge weights in Quickload without firing a shot.  I've observed that, almost without regard to powder choice, the peak pressure for a given muzzle velocity doesn't change all that much.  I start with powders that are obviously too slow, and work toward faster ones until I get to a load that is near 100% loading density while yielding the target MV. 
  

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Reply #2 - May 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm
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I don't personally have experience with quickload but I have seen some reports specific to the 8x58 where calcs were off significant amounts compared to measures data. 

I will be dancing around a hard line of 28500 psi, anything over at all and the load is no longer valid. With a roller of this period, specifically 1868-74 actions converted to 8mm I will not personally chance either the action nor my eyes with the use of simulation.

I just don't have enough safety margin to play with. 
It's one thing to go 5 k over on a Mauser or other action, repeatedly or indefinitely but pressing the 30k limit to its ragged edge in this case is something I'll rely on actual progressive load development. At least I can look away or string pull as I near the limits. 

With quickload, my first shot may be the end of the rope. 
I'd never know and have zero ability to validate!

Primers don't flatten at 30k, cases don't swell, and finite case stretching will be hard to measure. 

So actual pressure, as the labs use, will dictate the end of the line

I would LOvE a volunteer who has invested in the software to probe the start points though! Simulation would save many shots/money for start data and potential valid powders.

If you have quickload would you be willing to do some simulations fore?

Mike

  
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Reply #3 - May 30th, 2015 at 9:23am
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Try this if you have not seen yet.

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Reply #4 - May 30th, 2015 at 9:49pm
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Made some progress.

6mm I had read it many, many times but it inspired just the right search engine response to give me today, 1 full sealed pound of Norma 203, proper generation powder to use as reference load fodder.

Ill need to procure the correct Norma bullets to properly validate the data but otherwise I may have my system validation load.

My PT2 arrived today. Ive completed the install and tested the machine.
Ill next need to turn off the knoxform on my first test rifle to produce correct gage attachment point.

I may be in business by end of June. Pulling a favor from a friend of a friend driving through Cedar City, UT to make a pickup and get it to So Cal.

Woo Hoo!!
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2015 at 1:14pm
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I tore down a previously untouched 8x58 sporter yesterday, work has been dreadfully slow lately, too much time on hands, too little cash flow for my nervous system.
So be it.

I chucked up the barrel between centers (sort of) and turned a full round section as wide as I could leaving a shoulder to headspace/screw to.... also leaving the dovetail forend lug fully secure. Turned just barely full round, 1.0105 diameter. A nice round number to plug into PT.

The bummer is its over the neck! DANG IT! Thats OK, I can critically measure and get a good number for the ID for PT, plus for a microsecond the bullet will still be fully sealed in the neck and give me a real, very early pressure indication with bullet nearly fully seated. Thats what would be ideal.

Rife was torn down, ultrasonically cleaned, lubed, checked, bore slugged (.3245-.325), chamber cast deep for PT diameter measurements, barrel screwed back on and now waiting for the install of the strain gage. Not sure if I want the gauge inside the forend or it I want it on top of barrel where I can see it. I suppose the protection of hollowing out the forend is a good thing. But Ill need to damage the forend (which is in excellent condition) to make an access hole for cable. I think Id just as soon leave it to the side or on top where I can control the cable tension.

My Norma 203 (not B) is arriving this weekend (Sunday I think) so I am close to a final load for proof test.
I need to order a box of Bullets, Im dreading $70.00 for a box of 100. Dear Lord help me!!

Ive altered my work laptop with a new SSD, modified it for as low a power consumption as I can get out of it and still run Pressure Trace, I now have almost 4 hours of range time in continuous firing (Ill never need that but in the high desert test range I will go to there is no POWER to use!)

Im close to making some traces!!

Ill be posting (with your permission and blessing) my results in the hopes it will attract newcomers, entice the repurpose of the Swedish rifles as is and inspire a few others to dive in. I have sent some PM's on other sites where others have already done work on the subject.......... All but one rejected the project patently.... apparently I may be stepping on the toes of the forefathers!! That ticked me off.

The ASSRA is clearly the most desirable forum, the members here are nothing but exceptional. Ive yet to meet (in virtual realm) anything but gentleman, upright folks, here on the forum.
THANK YOU!!
  
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Re: RSI Pressure Trace in the mail, Swede Roller
Reply #6 - Jun 12th, 2015 at 2:52am
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You need to open yer wallet again and build a solar power-supply for yer confuser !      Grin
  

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