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Reply #60 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 10:45pm
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Only a few shots of anyone shooting.  Look to be long barrel bolt guns, offhand resting the barrel on a notch.  There was a ling at one time to a similar club in Texas I believe. 

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Reply #61 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 9:56am
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Unsure where the shooting happens, but their contact info is a German restaurant's address:
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Reply #62 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 1:16pm
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  Plattduetsche Volksfest Vereen

In 1894 the PVV purchased the land that would come to be known as Schuetzen Park .

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Reply #63 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 2:10pm
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I see there is no mention of shooting at the Schuetzen Park.

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Reply #64 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 3:41pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jun 3rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:
I see there is no mention of shooting at the Schuetzen Park.

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I see this mention Frank:
"Whether it be through singing, dancing, language, sport, marksmanship, or social interest, each of our 13 member clubs strives to preserve a unique part of Germanic heritage, handed down through generations, complete with its traditions and customs."

I assume marksmanship means they're shooting. But it doesn't specifically say their range, or the description of a range length, or indoors, outdoors, etc.
  

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Reply #65 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 8:32pm
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Offered are two additional images of the activities from the Schuetzen Fest 2014.

One of which I interpret as being the down range view which is obviously in a basement area of the building and the other image is taken from the firing line cubical with spent .22 R.F. cases on the shooting platform, and a very surprised shooting competitor with his rifle's muzzle pointed down range.

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Reply #66 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 12:37am
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But where is the range shown? Is it in the basement of the restaurant?
  

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Reply #67 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 2:35am
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Judging by what looks to be an open window near the surprised shooter, the range is probably not in the basement.  I do wonder about the cause of the surprise.

And what is the diagram on the wall behind the shooter?  Some sort of honor target?

I have never owned any clothes that fancy in my life.  I rented a rig to get married in, but IIRC, it was not that fancy.

If we must wear neckties, can I lean my rifle on one of those crossbars when I shoot it "offhand"?
  
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Reply #68 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 5:51am
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I agree the indoor range is above ground level as evidenced by the Evergreen tree (maybe a Blue Spruce) visible out the window in the background.

The "Big Surprise" was an obviously a well placed shot (or more).  The following image shows a by-stander giving the shooter an applause.

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Where ever the range is located, it appears the shooting is taking place on the same day and place as the Awards Banquet.  The range area has been blocked up with cement blocks and white washed and their are more than two firing positions.  Distance is ?   Maybe 50 feet small bore NRA ?
  
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Reply #69 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 7:26am
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Reply #70 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 8:16am
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While they obviously have gone small bore gallery shooting with modern rifles, it certainly appears to me that they come a lot closer to the original spirit and traditions of the old traditional German/Swiss-American Schuetzen societies as a total community social function; the shooting-beer, music-beer, singing-beer, eating-beer, dancing-beer.  It looks like they have everything but the amusement-park for the kinder, a driving park, and maybe a bowing ally. 

Some of the pictures Biggi has posted in the past seem to show contemporary German Schuetzen being done in places with indoor small bore or Zimmerschuetzen, or perhaps even air rifles.    maybe thats what they do when weather does not permit comfortable outdoor shooting.  Stories related by members who have gone to Germany and visited the clubs there refer to indoor matches at schuetzen-bars which made it sound like the darts matches at the Brit pubs.

I have not yet had the time to go thorough their whole picture gallery but something I saw gave me the impression that this may be the surviving scion of a much older Schuetzen Society that had all the real estate and facilities we know of from the "Good Old Days".

I wish some of our New York area members might be able to visit them and report back to us-------it'd sure make a damn nice Journal article. If I had the time and money I'd certainly sign up for an excursion to do the required-- ahem---"research"
I wonder if any of them shoot old traditional single shot gallery rifles?   
  

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Reply #71 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 8:58am
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The Brooklyn Schuetzen Corps is documented as having it's first annual schuetzenfest during the three days of 25, 26, and 27 July 1859 held at Myrtle Avenue Park in Brooklyn, New York.

I've posted a link to the pre-announcement for public viewing which was published on 18 July 1859 as follows;

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Re: American Schuetzen History
Reply #72 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 9:16am
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Very good,  If perchance you do make contact, please extend the hand of fellowship on behalf of the ASSRA community------they may not be shooting "traditional" rifles but they are absolutely preserving the important cultural aspects of the "Schuetzen" traditions.  

  Not all ASSRA affiliated clubs shoot only ASSRA standardized matches, at least one also preserves another old Schuetzen style that is not part of the official ASSRA match "menu". 
I believe that the New Braunfels (TX) Schuetzen Verein which has been considered the oldest continuously active schuetzen group in the US shoots a standing-rest match resting the rifle forend on a bar stepped for various heights----If I remember it correctly. this is somewhat similar in principle  to the set-up the Brooklyn club uses at their gallery.  The new Braunfels group shared hosting the ASSRA booth at an NRA show several years back with the other Texas ASSRA clubs and displayed a lot of very old schuetzen material.
  

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Reply #73 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 11:37am
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I believe that the New Braunfels (TX) Schuetzen Verein which has been considered the oldest continuously active schuetzen group in the US shoots a standing-rest match resting the rifle forend on a bar stepped for various heights----If I remember it correctly. this is somewhat similar in principle  to the set-up the Brooklyn club uses at their gallery.  


I recall reading the same materials to which you refer.  I recall an image of a gentleman wearing a cowboy hat and having a Win. style Hi-Wall rifle shooting it "off-hand", but aided by a vertical support staff inserted into the ground.  I believe that write up with photos also had an image of a family youngster with s shorter version of the vertical support staff.

I find the B.S.C to be open and welcoming in their published information and I highly admire their capacity to preserve their traditions and heritage.

Thanks for your interest and input on this subject.
  
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Reply #74 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 12:17pm
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One quick note the Major in Major Ned Roberts was an honorarium not a rank. While Ned did shoot with a National Guard unit for a while there is no record of him ever being an officer or attaining the rank of Major.
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Thanks for stating your understanding on that part of N.H. Robert's life.
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