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American Schuetzen History
May 22nd, 2015 at 6:40am
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American history at the height of the Schuetzen era clearly reflects, for anyone interested, that a class system prevailed.  Schuetzen was not an activity open to everyone, for a vast host of reasons, and there were vestiges of exclusivity.

Exclusivity, yes, but not to the extent that Polo was, and is, to this day.  But, nevertheless, Schuetzen was exclusive down through American history.

One only needs to become familiar with a representative list of the dominant participants and practitioners to understand this element of the shooting sport named "Schuetzen."

For example ;

Doctor F.W. Mann
Doctor Walter G. Hudson
Doctor Baker
Doctor J. Pentedo Bill
Colonel Berdan
Colonel Benet
Colonel Townsend Whelen
Captain Philip B. Sharpe
Major Jerome Clark
Major Ned Roberts
Major C.W. Hinman
and others too numerous to mention.

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Re: American Schuetzen History
Reply #1 - May 22nd, 2015 at 7:43am
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Can you define the parameters of the class system you speak of please?

One might assume financial status would be one of them, but that would preclude notables such as Harry Pope, Arthur Hubelek, Hubelek's son Arthur Jr., John Kaufman, and other members of the Long Island Rifle Club.

Many shooters arrived on public transportation.
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Re: American Schuetzen History
Reply #2 - May 22nd, 2015 at 9:50am
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There's no doubt that Schuetzen participation required funds the average person didn't have at that time. Simply looking at who participated doesn't always reflect that. Some exceptions that Rebel noted are good examples. Those with the talent to build their rifles could easily compete, and not have the funds that wealthy shooters had.
If you simply look through the catalogs from Marlin, Winchester, Stevens, Remington, etc., you'll see that the prices of a new factory Schuetzen were many times the monthly pay of an average worker. Spending $82 (the price of a Ballard Schuetzen, or Rigby model) was not something an average worker could afford. But they could afford a lessor priced model, which would allow them to compete, but maybe not win often.
Looking at the names of winners, tells us who had the funds to buy the top equipment, and the time to shoot enough to win matches. It wont tell us the whole story, but it does reflect part of it.
  

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Re: American Schuetzen History
Reply #3 - May 22nd, 2015 at 9:58am
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When I was shooting NRA pistol bullseye, we had a saying that "you can't buy points".
None the less, as you say, the top scorers were not generally shooting Ruger MK 1's.
My scores improved when I bought my GSP and again when I installed Bowlers' grips.

The reason for my post was to comment on Dr. Maynard's remark that "Schuetzen was not an activity open to everyone, for a vast host of reasons, and there were vestiges of exclusivity."

Still, I maintain, Schuetzen was an activity open to everyone, it was more popular than baseball.
You don't need to win a match to have fun, many people just compete against themselves. (myself included)
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Reply #4 - May 22nd, 2015 at 10:12am
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Rebel wrote on May 22nd, 2015 at 9:58am:
When I was shooting NRA pistol bullseye, we had a saying that "you can't buy points".
None the less, as you say, the top scorers were not generally shooting Ruger MK 1's.
My scores improved when I bought my GSP and again when I installed Bowlers' grips.
Still, I maintain, Schuetzen was an activity open to everyone, it was more popular than baseball.
You don't need to win a match to have fun, many people just compete against themselves. (myself included)


Well said. The records that we look at today are mostly larger events that drew the best shooters. On many occasions they were money events, and some of those shooters were professional shooters, who only competed in big events.
Around the country there were many smaller events that drew no big competitors, and those on a budget, who shot as amateurs, could compete with modest equipment, and win. Not everyone shot the big events, and since Schuetzen was so popular, there were far more small matches, than large matches.
It's been written that Schuetzen was the equivalent of what football is today. So just like football, there were Super Bowl events, and small mud field games.
  

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Re: American Schuetzen History
Reply #5 - May 22nd, 2015 at 10:30am
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So, as I am unfamiliar with Polo, (and scared of horses from a childhood ride at Frontierland) we might make an analogy to golf.
Many people play, but not everyone is Arnold Palmer. To play on that level is most certainly exclusive.
I think a "cast system" might be a bit of a stretch.
What say you, Dr. Maynard? I'm most interested in your reply.
  

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Re: American Schuetzen History
Reply #6 - May 22nd, 2015 at 12:38pm
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I think Rebel is close to the truth.  Scheutzen was a popular sport back then and a lot of people competed.  Perusal of the scores sent in by the clubs to the periodical Shooting And Fishing show hundreds of names of people who competed, week after week, and month after month, for years, without achieving a local win, let alone a national score, a medical degree, or a military rank.

In some cases, the "stars" of the various games competed for years in relative obscurity until the acquisition of name recognition, whether via good scores, authorship, sponsorship by a gun or ammunition company, offering shooting accessories, or promotion (self- or by an article in the sporting papers) put them in the historical short list.

The only thing "exclusive" about these people was an interest in good rifle shooting.  That was "exclusive" enough, methinks, but it did not bar anybody from getting into the endeavor, as long as they had a gun to shoot.  On the other hand, viewers of the movie The World's Fastest Indian can get a sense of the exclusivity that had to be overcome just to get a trial run, let alone being allowed to compete.
  
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Reply #7 - May 22nd, 2015 at 1:10pm
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It took an interest in shooting & schuetzen, sufficient free time, access to discretionary funds, and access to one of the ranges where schuetzen shooting took place.   

Anyone could have an interest.   

Most working people did not have the time.  The average work week was somewhere between 50 and 70+ hours, depending on what the work was & where it was done.  In the Schuetzen era, most Americans lived on the farm, where farming was a dawn (or earlier) to dark, 7 days a week job, with time off for church (after the morning milking was done) if you were lucky.

But shooting in general and particularly schuetzen cost money.  Farm families and those of ordinary workers were big.  4 kids was a small family.  Many families had 10 or 12 kids.  Wages were low, almost non-existent for agricultural workers and only a few $ a day for almost everyone else. Almost no one made $1 an hour. There were many demands for those few $.   The Singer sewing machine was very expensive, and necessary if the family was to be clothed.  That and the piano took up a big chunk of the few discretionary $$.  Food & education & the MD took up most of the rest.

Transportation was horse & buggy or bicycle or streetcar or by regular rail.  Rifle ranges were near streetcar or rail lines and were near main roads.   

The only groups that had time, money and access were the  very wealthy (not many of them, then & now), the professionals (MDs, lawyers, etc) and the successful businessmen (merchants & contractors).  Kids from poor families could become professionals or business successes.  Schuetzen was not a game of a closed class system.  But it demanded access to resources that were unavailable to most Americans.  Just like golf today.
  
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Reply #8 - May 22nd, 2015 at 1:28pm
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How then do you account for the numerous participants in the sport?
Golf or Schuetzen?
  

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Reply #9 - May 22nd, 2015 at 2:22pm
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Reasonable to think that you had to be reasonably clever and motivated, which I would think accounts for the number of doctors and other professional people.   That hardly defines the successful shooters as a social class in the English class sense.  Yes, some had money, but so far as I can see they earned it.
  

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Reply #10 - May 22nd, 2015 at 3:27pm
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Never heard of H.M. Pope playing polo, but some might say he played an extremely dominant role in American Schuetzen History.

  

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Reply #11 - May 22nd, 2015 at 3:56pm
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waterman wrote on May 22nd, 2015 at 1:10pm:

But shooting in general and particularly schuetzen cost money.  Farm families and those of ordinary workers were big.  4 kids was a small family.  Many families had 10 or 12 kids.  Wages were low, almost non-existent for agricultural workers and only a few $ a day for almost everyone else. Almost no one made $1 an hour.


A few dollars a day in the late 1800's would have meant you were a very wealthy man! Even those who lived comfortably, did so on incomes of about $2 a day.
There's an excellent report done of various jobs, and how wages changed between 1860-1890 by the National Bureau of Economic Reports. Shows income in 1860 for most skilled trades at around $1.60, and by 1880's at around $2.30 a day. Various farmers, ranch hands, or unskilled labor was all much less.
  

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Re: American Schuetzen History
Reply #12 - May 22nd, 2015 at 4:11pm
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excellent info.
I think of the "heyday" of the Schuetzen sport as from about the turn of the century to about WW1.
Certainly it started much earlier.
Would you have the same kind of data for 1900 or 1910?
  

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Reply #13 - May 22nd, 2015 at 4:22pm
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Rebel wrote on May 22nd, 2015 at 4:11pm:
excellent info.
I think of the "heyday" of the Schuetzen sport as from about the turn of the century to about WW1.
Certainly it started much earlier.
Would you have the same kind of data for 1900 or 1910?


Considering Marlin came out with many Schuetzen models of the Ballard in 1876, I would guess it was in response to demand, and not to create demand. Schuetzen started out with percussion rifles, and gunsmiths like George Schalk built far more muzzle loading Schuetzen rifles, than cartridge. Cartridge guns were later in his career.
The info I have for the period 1900-1910 is listed by average hourly wage, and it states 37 cents an hour. So that equates to just under $3 a day, if they worked an 8 hour day. I'd bet most worked more like 10 hour day, so we could easily figure $3 a day.
Figure $60 a month, and no taxes to speak of then. Wonder how many months a guy had to save his "excess" income to buy a rifle?
  

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Re: American Schuetzen History
Reply #14 - May 26th, 2015 at 5:36pm
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Schuetzen was not an activity open to everyone, for a vast host of reasons, and there were vestiges of exclusivity. . .  .  .  .  .  .and others too numerous to mention. Dr.Maynard


I would like to expand slightly upon my observations and information by informing readers that the Massachusetts Rifle Association was organized predominately by professional men who were held in high esteem within their respective communities.

For instance, the Association's first president was Doctor Isaac H. Hazelton.   

Also, the Association's panel of honorable directors was made up, in part, by;

Governor (Mass) Alexander Hamilton Rice
Major General Benjamin F. Butler
Major General Henry W. Benham
Rear Admiral Henry K. Thatcher
Mayor (Boston) Samuel C. Cobb

All well respected and highly intelligent shooting enthusiasts.

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