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Reply #15 - May 15th, 2015 at 6:40am
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Why would a ammunition "Reloader" even have a powder scale on his/her bench that is graduated into GRAMS ?

Answer;  The ammunition reloading bench is no place for such a scale that reads in Grains, and as an alternative, in Grams. (Potentially a dangerous situation)

Either, apply Super Glue to the selection switch keeping it in the GRAINS position, thus preventing it and/or outherwise blocking it from engaging the Grams position exclusively; or better yet, take it to the dumpster or re-cycling collection point in your community.
  
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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #16 - May 15th, 2015 at 9:28am
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Because Dr Maynard
The most accurate scientific scales weren’t made for reloading. There is usually a button on them that lets you chose scale Grains / Grams. It’s just the way the better electronic scales come.

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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #17 - May 15th, 2015 at 10:26am
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I use an older Ohaus mechanical scale that is calibrated only in grams.  I principally use it to load black powder, but even when using smokeless it would be really difficult to confuse the two.  There are a little more than 15 grains in a gram, so an overload of 15 grams of SR-4759 would be 225 grains of powder.  That would spill so far over the top of the case that it would be really obvious.   

You can get into trouble though, if you are doing conversions between the units and make a slight error though.  All kinds of bad things could happen then.

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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #18 - May 15th, 2015 at 10:48am
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Reloading in general has many places to make mistakes. Even seasoned reloaders can make mistakes, but the more we know about various components, the less we're apt to make a mistake. 
I don't shy away from using certain types of powders, but like others have mentioned here, certain powders require more care.
  

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Reply #19 - May 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm
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My RCBS scale made specifically for reloading has both the grain and gram mode and I surely won't be super gluing either of them as they were put there to serve a useful purpose.

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Reply #20 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:14pm
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I initially got the digital scale to speed up weighing cast bullets. Since, I've found it to be fine for most of my other uses as well. I used to keep a pair of beam scales at hand, but now only use one, and only as a double check on the electronic one. I used  the electronic one while loading at the range too. It's nice to have unless the wind is blowing. 
If one uses stick powders a good trickler is never a bad addition to the bench, range or home. Unless the wind is blowing.
Lots of things to weigh if you have grandchildren also. Unless the wind is....... Maybe I'm the one causing all the wind! Pat
  
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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #21 - May 15th, 2015 at 2:13pm
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40_Rod wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 8:42am:
A couple of things. Yes 4759 will and does bridge and will give inconsistent loads. It is one of the reasons that I recommend 4227 for the 32-40 and 38-55. If you have an old Belding and Mull measure they do a much better job with 4759 than most measures. If not weigh your charges. 
One other thing that just popped into my head, does your scale measure grains and grams? Many electronic scales do. If you accidently had it set on grams that would explain a sever overload. 

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1 grain is 0.064 GRAMS. No way he could have stuffed 14 GRAMS of powder in that case. 
Most likely the powder measure malfunctioned, was ill adjusted, or he double charged a few cases. 
Zeke, it's much safer if you forget about the powder measure and weigh each charge and seat bullets one by one. Just don't get distracted. 
Your description of primers and cases sounds like double charges. 
  
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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #22 - May 15th, 2015 at 2:57pm
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I agree with Adrian on the cause being double charging.
  

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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #23 - May 15th, 2015 at 3:26pm
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Have had 4759 bridge/clog in my Redding BR measure, causing one overload in my 32/40 Remington. Drilled the opening bigger, have no more trouble. 

Double charging often causes complete failure of the breech. At least a severely stuck case, blown primer, damage somewhere. You will know if you double charge. 

Can one double charge a 32/40 case with 4759?   

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Reply #24 - May 16th, 2015 at 1:21am
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ever since I have been working with the small cases like the .22 Hornet, I have gotten into the habit of weighing every charge.  I have good accurate measures..Redding and Harrells..but I always measure light & trickle up to desired weight...time consuming?  I guess so, but safety trumps time in my opinion.
  
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Reply #25 - May 16th, 2015 at 12:08pm
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i prefer powders that meter well. i like a see-thru drop tube with the largest nozzle hole for the case mouth. the tip to open up and oval the nozzle opening to max is a good idea and one i will add now
  
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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #26 - May 16th, 2015 at 3:25pm
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40_Rod wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 9:28am:
Because Dr Maynard
The most accurate scientific scales weren’t made for reloading. There is usually a button on them that lets you chose scale Grains / Grams. It’s just the way the better electronic scales come.

40 Rod

Ha, you said it. With one of those scales in GRAMS, i can charge cases without any variation of powder charge. I usually allow about 1/100 of a grain tolerance. My scale has been set to GRAMS for the past 10 years. I don't even know how to switch to something else anymore, but i can do that. I occasionally test it with calibrating weights.  
And because i am a Eurobilly transplanted to the Ozarks. I fit right in with the locals, but i stick to my millimeters and grams. .
There really is no danger of mixing grains and GRAMS. 1 grain is just a few granules of powder, 1 GRAM (15.62 grains) is enough to charge a smaller case and is about a teaspoon of powder. I don't think anyone can charge 15 GRAMS of powder into any sporting cartridge case. That would be enough for an AA gun. 
Really, the metric system is simpler, more intuitive.  
As suggested above, i dump most of the charge with a Lee scoop and i trickle the rest with a trickler, into a small aluminum dish set on the scale. . I seat bullet right after that. Fast and safe, very precise. I usually charge and seat 50 rounds at a time, one by one, in about 20- 25 minutes. In fact, the powders that don't work well in the powder measures, like large flakes and rods, work very well for trickling fast by hand, by tapping the index finger on the handle of the scoop.  
This way, i avoid errors caused by powder measures, i can switch quickly from one caliber/powder to another, and i don't have to re-adjust  a powder measure. Clumsy as i am, i would always miss-adjust the powder measure.  I just have to keep a conversion table and a load/charge table taped to my desk. I also keep the empty, mangled, case that i double charged with Unique one stormy evening. It's right on the scale. I received a severe storm warning on my phone while loading, i double charged. I no longer take my phone to the loading room anymore. 
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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #27 - May 16th, 2015 at 3:46pm
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Joe, not sure when you can double charge with 4759. But I load 15.5 Grs in my 32-40s and I can assure you that load doubled fills the case to the top and flows over, hard to miss. I have never tried to find out low a charge you have to go to in order to actually get a double in it. May try later tonight and see. Will report back. Regards, FITZ. Smiley
  

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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #28 - May 16th, 2015 at 3:46pm
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.22-5-40 wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:21am:
ever since I have been working with the small cases like the .22 Hornet, I have gotten into the habit of weighing every charge.  I have good accurate measures..Redding and Harrells..but I always measure light & trickle up to desired weight...time consuming?  I guess so, but safety trumps time in my opinion.

Loading the small cases has taught me a lot about loading the larger ones.
I confirm the charges weighed on an electronic scale with my faithful old Redding beam-balance scale periodically as a double check.
All electronics can glitch. Just think of that e-scale you use as a small version of your home computer.  Wink
I agree that safety trumps time.
  

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Re: Heavy overloads in 32-40. What happened??
Reply #29 - May 16th, 2015 at 4:00pm
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Well, I just put a double charge, of 14.0 grains of SR4759 into a pair of cases. Yes, you can get a double into one. I used a reformed 32spl and one of my good ol' Western cases. The short one was so full you couldn't seat a bullet in very far. The standard length might have taken most bullets, but it showed up in the neck so far you sure didn't need a flashlight to see it. 
My take is that Zeke suffered from bridging that caused wide variations in his loads. For comparison, the short case would hold almost 37 grains of 4227- a real wow if you shot that one!
Zeke, it would interest me to know how many, out of how many you shot, blew the primers. It would have been better to stop at the first sign, but since you didn't use them to learn from perhaps. If they were soft, many might show other signs. If most are OK, most likely not the primer problem. But, I'd pull the block and pin for a good look see, and cleaning just for drill.   
Soldier on, Zeke, you didn't make a mistake that you can't recover from and get that thing purring like a kitten. Pat
  
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