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Ammo price 1873
May 10th, 2015 at 2:46pm
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Hi I hope to get some help here and this is not to off topic
I need the Price for the following cartridges in 1873 or about, 44-40, 45LC and 45-70
Also the salary for a cowboy, skinner and shooter/hunter in 1873, I need this for a television program to bee made soon.

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Reply #1 - May 11th, 2015 at 1:13am
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I have a reprint of the 1875 Winchester catalog. Ammunition prices are per 1000 pieces. The .44-40 is $20 and the .45 Colt is $24. Winchester did not yet offer .45-70; however, .50-70 and .40-70 were about $37.

I thought it interesting the .44 Henry was $24. I would have guessed it cost a bit less to make than the .44 WCF. I've wondered if Winchester was trying to make the new cartridge (and its gun) look better. I also can't see why the .45 Colt should be so much more than the .44 WCF; this may have been marketing.
  

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This is from an old Remington Catalog, however it's not dated. I would guess that it's from about 1880;
  
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mriisj assra Life wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

Also the salary for a cowboy, skinner and shooter/hunter in 1873, 

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I don't have payrolls or significant historical documents to show. I have read many books and visited museums on the theme. The men were paid $1/day or about 20/month, as far as i know, but also received horse, food, lodging, and sometimes clothing. They had to have their own boots and saddle. 
  
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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2015 at 9:22am
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Adjusted for inflation, $40 in 1875 would be about $900 today. The transport of a 50-100 lbs. case of ammo would have added considerably to the price.
  
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Reply #6 - May 12th, 2015 at 11:07am
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So a box of shells for your 44-40 would cost a day's pay or more.
  
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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2015 at 10:28pm
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According to Andy Adams in the late 1860's in Texas the pay for a trail cowboy was $40 a month in Gold, in 1882 it was $50.

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waterman wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:07am:
So a box of shells for your 44-40 would cost a day's pay or more.


About, but many of the men did not have pistols, especially in the 1880s, and did not go blazing left and right. Many did not drink alcohol either, unlike those depicted in movies. Disease and accidents were their enemies, more than anything else. 
I can't remember the authors, but I've read several accounts written by trail cowboys in the 1870-1880. Ammunition and firearms were barely mentioned. On one drive from Texas to Kansas, they had to shoot one horse and that was the only shot fired on the entire trip. Those trail cattle really spooked easily and stampeded for hours. Gun fire and whip cracking were forbidden.
  
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j35nut wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
According to Andy Adams in the late 1860's in Texas the pay for a trail cowboy was $40 a month in Gold, in 1882 it was $50.

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That seems right by my memory of what I've read, but i think the $50 was for experienced men, or foremen, or such. Greenhorns got less than that and all the beans they could eat. 
  
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Reply #10 - May 16th, 2015 at 1:38am
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J. Wright Mooar paid his wagon drovers $50. per month, in 1873-74.  No doubt somewhat hazardous duty as other wagons loaded with flint hides were ambushed by hostiles in 1874.  They drove two wagons hitched together pulled by six oxen.  Two such teams and two skinners, a cook and a helper to take care of one hunter.  Mooar preferred a 50-2 and one half Sharps (50-90 or -110) and lung shots.  He took 100 pounds of lead, lots of powder and about 200 cartridges, 2,000 primers and did lots of reloading.
My Rywell book shows an undated ad with 50-100 patched at $53.00 per 1000 ammo cost and another mid 1870's list of 44WCF at $20.00 and 45 Colt at $26.00 per 1000.  Black powder was $1.00 per pound.
Just got back from the West Texas Historical meeting so this is fresh old information.
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Reply #11 - May 16th, 2015 at 11:59am
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Black powder at $1 per pound in the 1870's? Hmmmm . . . 
When I was a kid, late 50's - early 60's, DuPont black powder at Bohm's gun shop in Phoenix was a buck a pound. Not a small sum of money for a 14-15 year old paying for my shooting with a paper route.
The powder came in those oval cans (still have a few empties sitting on a shelf in my shop.
  

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Reply #12 - May 16th, 2015 at 4:20pm
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Interesting to note that in the 1875 WRA catalog, the lowest priced Model 1873 was the Carbine which listed at $38.00.
1000 rounds of 50-70 Musket cartridges were priced at $37.50, while 1000 rounds of Martini Henry cartridges listed at $40.00.
Also stated is that "All bullets, from the smallest to the largest sizes, are swaged by patented machinery ...".

  

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Reply #13 - May 16th, 2015 at 8:41pm
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I wonder how much of some of that ammo was old military contract over-runs.
  

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Reply #14 - May 19th, 2015 at 6:07pm
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waterman wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:07am:
So a box of shells for your 44-40 would cost a day's pay or more.


I paid $70.00 for a 50 round box of Winchester 44-40 cartridges in 2013.  Haven't seen any more lately.
  
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