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ChrisB Participating Member Offline Posts: 26 Location: England Joined: Sep 17^th, 2014	405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Apr 29^th, 2015 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	Am I correct in thinking that the 405 Win. round is virtually the same as the 40-70 SS apart from being a tad longer case. I see that some use cut down 405 cases for their 40-70's. So if Shiloh say it is ok to shoot nitro in their 405's, it should be safe to use nitro in a 40-70SS. Or have I missed something? Cheers, Chris B


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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: 405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Reply #1 - Apr 29^th, 2015 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	My wife shoots a '75 Sharps made by C.Sharps in BPCR Silhouette. It is chambered in .40-70 SS. The brass used is made from Hornady .405 Winchester Brass. We have never used smokeless powder in that rifle. I personally would check with the manufacture of your rifle about shooting smokeless loads as if they were .405 Winchester Ammo! If it's an Old Original Rifle in .40-70 SS....It would be a Black Powder Rifle..I believe..... Terry

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17968 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Reply #2 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:09am	Print Post
	I shoot smokeless in my Hepburn all the time. It came to me as a .40-70SS, but the barrel was chopped to 22". I had John Taylor lengthen the barrel back to 30", and reline it to .40-70SS. John asked what brass I would be using to make my .40-70SS cartridges, and I told him .405 Win. So he chambered it to accept the .405 cases, but shorter to .40-70SS length, so it wont accept a factory .405 cartridge. It shoots better than I can hold, and I've tried it with everything from 300 grain to 425 grain cast lead; all with smokeless powder.

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ChrisB Participating Member Offline Posts: 26 Location: England Joined: Sep 17^th, 2014	Re: 405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Reply #3 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 1:42pm	Print Post
	Thanks for your replys. It is not original it's a Shiloh with a 34" heavy weight barrel. I use black and am fine with that but thought it would be good to pick up a box of nitro loaded rounds, my rifle and a target to shoot at and leave all my bp clobber at home. My nearest range is 27 miles with a max. of 100 yards. When I shoot at Bisley, that can be up to 1000 yards plus. Mostly 200 and 600. I guess I am worrying too much about the nitro thing, it's just that my rifle cost an arm and a leg to get it into the UK, almost the cost of a basic Shiloh! Cheers, Chris B England


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2942 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Reply #4 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	Chris - you might want to get on the Shiloh Sharps forum and ask there or ask Shiloh directly. Their chambers are often a bit different than others. They will be happy to help.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Reply #5 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	I had to thin the 405 Rims on my lathe for the Highwall Laudensauk Schuetzen Rifle I had in that chambering when using the new Hornady brass. JLouis

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17968 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Reply #6 - May 1^st, 2015 at 10:50am	Print Post
	I can already tell you what Shiloh will say. They feel that all their guns should be shot with black powder.

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ChrisB Participating Member Offline Posts: 26 Location: England Joined: Sep 17^th, 2014	Re: 405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Reply #7 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 11:52am	Print Post
	I have e-mailed them, just waiting for a reply. Chris


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ChrisB Participating Member Offline Posts: 26 Location: England Joined: Sep 17^th, 2014	Re: 405 Winchester and 40-70 SS Reply #8 - May 5^th, 2015 at 1:42pm	Print Post
	You were right, black powder only. Chris


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