I shoot a LOT of Shorts.  Recently, I have found that CCI High Velocity Shorts, the copper plated stuff, both solid & HP, are at least as accurate as the CCI Target Shorts and maybe even more accurate.  Around here, the HV stuff is easier to find.

If you shoot the CB stuff, make sure that each shot leaves the barrel before you load & shoot again.  I have seen bullets stuck in the bore (twice).

QM: I have not yet found the extreme spread you found.  The spread I have found, after weighing 480 rounds of CCI Target Shorts from the same lot, is the same as I found when weighing ordinary SV Long Rifle rounds, and even the same when weighing Eley Edge.

That said, in a match, I use sorted & weighed Shorts and select those that weigh 38.7 to 38.9 grains.  I have not weighed the HV stuff.

gunlaker wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:25am:


I'm reliably informed that English stocks were made from continental walnut. (Much as I hate to admit it!)

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Aonghas

Where can I purchase the ASSRA back issue on the 22 Short? 

Thanks everyone!

High Noon

High Noon,
The article was done in three parts.  It starts in March/April 2014, Jul/Aug 2014, and Jan/Feb 2015.

You might want to consider an ASSRA mmbership.  I don't remember the price, but I like getting the Journal

Chris.

Waterman here.  I am the author of the articles on the Short in the Single Shot Rifle Journal. I called it a "personal odyssey" not an obsession, at least that's my opinion, just a science guy with a couple of fun rifles.   

I have done enough shooting with Fiocchi SM-200 to write about that, but no time yet to actually do the writing. Probably 3 more articles. I am using a Stevens-Pope as the primary rifle, with a Winder used for some of the more dubious ammo. Unertl 12X scope on both rifles. 

I looked up some velocities:

CCI Target Shorts, out of box.  875 to 950.  Mean 910.
CCI Target Shorts all 38.8 gr:  835 to 885, mean 856.
Rem Kleanbore from 1947:  930 to 985, mean 966.
Lapua Rapid Fire, 2004:  650 to 910, mean 770.
Fiocchi Normale:  900 to 985, mean 930.
Eley Rapid Fire MA-56, 1972:  720 to 850, mean 790.
Eley Rapid Fire MI-17, 1990?  785 to 845, mean 810.

I need to add that we started out with 2 chronographs, a PACT and a Chrony.  And we started out with the middle of the screens about 12 ft from the muzzle.  We now use only the Chrony, with the front of the screen holder 5 ft from the muzzle.  We plot each shot on a grid.  High velocity shots always hit higher.  Low velocity shots always hit lower.  Gravity works, the longer the flight time, the greater the drop.

My shooting at 25 yards is outdoors, but tucked in against a wall.  Sometimes it gets windy enough to blow the Chrony screens over.

At 100 yards, the S-P will keep the CCI Target Shorts inside the 18-ring (ASSRA target).  At 200 yards, vertical dispersion is about 21.5", horizontal dispersion a smidge less than 6".

We use the ASSRA gallery target at 25 yds.  The old Remington stuff is not terribly accurate.  I had a good solid hold, put one shot in the 24 ring on #4 bull.  Second shot, aimed at the same place, was a 24 on the #5 bull.

I tried some old Federal Monarks, 7.9" for a 10 shot group at 50 yards.  IIRC, Super-X is worse.

High Noon, I have no insights .   I'm just a centerfire guy who found waterman's article series very interesting.  Plus I think your rifle is quite nifty.  I'll bet that Waterman has some thoughts on it though.



Chris.

I don't have any thoughts about why CCI markets HV shorts advertised to have a velocity just above the speed of sound.  It probably has something to do with marketing.  My instincts tell me that if you plot points of impact for the lower velocity shots, the group will be tighter than for the plotted >1100 fps shots.

1950:  I have had 4 different Winchesters with barrels marked 22 Short.  All would chamber regular LR cartridges with no seating effort at all. Just stuff them in. I have fired LRs in Winchester Short barrels several times, but I have never had a target like the one you posted.  At 50 yards, a target the size of a 1/2 gallon juice container might show all hits.  At 100 yards, I'd be lucky to keep the hits in a 10-quart pail, and some would hit sideways.  Maybe yours has a liner.  What's the twist?

If I'm the only one shooting, I don't bother with muffs either.  At 100 yards, the sound of the bullet's impact is louder than the shot.

slumlord44 wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41pm:

I agree that they all haven't been rechambered, and there's the fly in the ointment. Not all 22 short marked barrels will chamber the long rifle cartridge, or even the 22 long.

Slumlord,
Just curious, did you check the twist rates in your short marked barrels that chamber the long rifle cartridge?