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Nice surprise today - high wall rifle
Apr 22nd, 2015 at 12:34pm
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I bought a high wall for the action a couple of weeks ago, and just got it in the mail today.

Nice surprise:  It's a crisp, unworn action, still shows some case colors although it's covered with brown speckling.  The wood is unsanded original, 80 to 90% original, no dings, dents, or other problems.  And, has a near excellent bore, although the outside of the barrel has turned mostly brown.   

I paid a fair price for a good high wall action and received a nice 70% + original condition rifle.

Now the same old dilemna:  Really too nice a rifle to break down for parts.  But, not a terribly desirable configuration; it's a #1 weight, 28 inch .32-20.  Highest and best use for it is to use the stocks to restore something else, because of their great condition,  use the action for a nice custom, and the barrel I think I have a friend looking for one to rebore or reline.   

Real nice surprise to get something better than expected, instead of the usual load of undisclosed problems!

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Re: Nice surprise today - high wall rifle
Reply #1 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 12:57pm
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That always makes me a little nuts, when I try to decide if I'm committing some sort of sacrilege in parting out a decent original old gun. I have mixed emotions considering how many have been reworked, so I'm glad it's you and not me making the decision!
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 1:33pm
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Why not hit the outside metal with some Hoppes #9 & 4- 0 steel wool, then a coat of paste wax. You might be surprised & wind up keeping it the way it is.     Then shoot & enjoy!!   ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 7:28pm
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A word. Check the receiver as Winchester used a small shank for those that were to be Pistol level cartridges. I have an early Hiwall with the small shank. Rebuilt it into a 30-30 with a Douglas premium air gage barrel. Planned to shoot light weight bullets and drive them hard and shoot Woodchucks. But had to give up on that plan because of the small shank size. Have never got back to it in 30 years. If you do take yours apart I could be interested in the Barrel. HTH Regards
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Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:47pm
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If it's a #1 barrel it is a small thread action for sure. A #1 barrel is only .885" across the flats at the breech.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:02pm
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I'm not a Winchester single shot collector, but I'm guessing that most of the pistol sized cartridges like the 32-20 were made on the LoWall action; and the High Walls were mainly for larger calibers.  I would leave it as it is.  If you want something heavier, you should  pass it on to someone who appreciates it as it is; then start with something that isn't so original.  I do have to confess that I really like the 32-20 which would certainly make me want to keep it as it is.   

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Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:29pm
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If it was mine I would clean it up and shoot it as is. Think I would look for something that was not so nice to use to build a rifle. Just my opinion.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:11pm
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It definitely is a #1 action, I knew that at the time I bought it.  I bought it as a low wall, but the picture showed it to be a high wall.  I'll not use it for anything bigger than a .38-55, so the small shank is fine.  The serial # is in the 4700 range, so it's a very early gun.  They hadn't standardized on low walls for the smaller cartridges then.

On bringing it home and looking at it with some magnification, it is obvious that someone used something abrasive to remove some of the rust freckling, and ended up scratching one side of the receiver quite a bit.  The whole barrel is the same way.  No reason for that, rubbing it with a wood block and some oil would have taken off the rust freckling without any scratches.  But, it is what it is.  The scratches are too fine to see easily without magnification, but they're there.

On using a poorer action for a custom?  I've just gone through and squared up and sanded the pits and buffing waves out of a converted varmint high wall.  Still doesn't look perfect, as the screw holes were egg shaped a lot by the buffer.  I need to drill out and fit an oversize lever pin to hide the worst sins from that buffer.  I have an inordinate amount of time in that action to get it looking pretty good, and still have another 3 hours to go from the 80 grit to a 600 grit ready to case color finish.  It still has a scope screw hole in the top ring that really needs welded up too.   

The amount of time I have in polishing that action is about equal in worth to what this one cost me.  I can probably polish it up to case color in 2 hours or less.  Absolutely no choice here; I'd much rather break up a great condition rifle than spend days cleaning up and polishing a beater.    I'm going to try the stocks on my early, panel side low wall that has mediocre stocks.  I have an idea they will really dress it up.

If this was a 50-110, or a 40-70, or 38-55 or 38-72 or other desirable cartridge, wouldn't be much of a choice.  Collector value would exceed parts value.  But a #1, small shank, .32-20 with idiot scratches down the barrel and in the receiver finish on one side?  Every collector that you try to sell it to will say "too bad about the scratches and the caliber and the barrel size".  "I'll take it off your hands if you sell it cheap, and use it, I like the .32-20".   

The barrel is of value to someone to restore a low wall, though, as a shooter.  It will be valued a lot more in that context than on this rifle.

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Reply #8 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 9:54am
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Nice find. Especially if that is a screw hanging off the back of the trigger, meaning that it is a SST.
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 8:55pm
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Fitz, you may want to dust off that 30 yr old high wall project and get it going. Win 94 threads are about .030" smaller than the small high wall threads. 30/30's work fine on them.
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 8:01pm
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Thanks Deadeye but I planned to shoot 110Gr Hollow Point Jacketed Bullets and drive the heck out of them. The barrel has a 16" twist for light bullets. I just decided not to push it. Going some day take the barrel off and fit it up to a strong action and maybe chamber it different. It will all work out in the end somehow. Regards, FITZ. Smiley
  

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