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Powder measure recommendations
Apr 20th, 2015 at 9:48am
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I managed to get a hold of some Accurate #9 but I find it won't work well in my Lyman 55 powder measure.   The granules are so fine they immediately bind up the measure.

I'm looking to purchase a new powder measure and am looking for input.

I have a gift certificate from Redding which allows me to purchase any product at 1/2 price.

I'm looking at their "Competition Model 10X"   and would appreciate any input upon it's suitability.

Also any other recommendations.

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Reply #1 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 10:30am
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The Harrel's are the best ones out there with the Schuetzen measure being the best within its powder charge limitations of 2-25 grains. They are click adjustable and every three clicks is a tenth of a grain with my Schuetzen measure using the various ball powders. The larger measures have slightly courser adjustments and if my memory serves me right every click is a tenth of a grain? Extremely repeatable and accurate powder charge settings as well as being very user friendly.

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Reply #2 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 10:31am
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I rate the Reddings pretty highly,  I own 3 or 4 of them.   I think the Competition version has a slightly more precisely calibrated measuring chamber but all have worked for me.  The fine grain ball powders should be fine.   I do have problems with coarser grain and stick powders like 4759 "bridging" in my Reddings. 

However, If you walk the firing line at Etna Green I think you'll see that most of the guys using the fine grained ball powders in the small capacity higher pressure loads are using the Culver/Harrell type measures.  The fine and consistent  click adjustments make it easier to tweak powder charges as conditions shift.
  

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Reply #3 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 10:35am
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Redding works OK
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Any retailer is ok.

  
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Reply #4 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:59pm
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I've used Redding Measures for 30 years. they are extremely repeatable, with their micrometer adjustments.

I use the pistol insert, with it's 5/16 cavity. It can handle as much as 30 gr of #9. I don't know what size the 10X insert is but, if it's larger than 3/8, I would just get a pistol measure. if you shoot more than 30 gr of powder, you'll need larger than the pistol measure.

The pistol measure will hold it's own in our sport (under 25 gr) against any of them! with #9 in the measure, you'll be hard pressed to get any variation at all.

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Re: Powder measure recommendations
Reply #5 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 11:48pm
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Just a newbie question, as I always question my decisions: how does the RCBS Chargemaster 1500 compare?  I realize it is for home use only, but am curious how the electronic dispenser compares in accuracy of drop (certainly, not in simplicity...).
  

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Reply #6 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 8:41am
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Another vote for the Harrell measure. They are well made and very accurate. When you get a setting for your load write it down when you change to go to a different gun you can change then come back to your old setting and the drop will be exactly where you left off.

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Reply #7 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 11:28am
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How does the MVA measure that is basically a modern Belding and Mull compare with the other measures?  I used a Redding when I was shooting Benchrest but the Harrel was most popular.  One thing I think I would like about the MVA is that you could see if a charge was not full and it would be impossible to have bridged powder overfill the next charge.  Just curious...... Tom
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 12:14pm
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In my opinion, the B&M/MVA measure is the best for verything you want a measure for, except speed and convienence, especially on a breezy day.

I still use mine for 4759 and 4759 when I duplexed BP.

Back to the Redding/Harrel, I'll put my Redding up against a Harrel, any day for repetablity and SD of thrown charges.

What I do with my Redding when I get a new powder is, set the timble at .300, throw 5 charges, weight and average them. Then set it at .800 and do the same thing.

I then take the difference of though two charges and divide .500 by the number of gr. That gives me the number of thousands, it take to move the micrometer thimble for 1.0 gr of powder.

I have a small hard bound surveyor's book in my tool box that I record that info in. I usually break it down to the 1/2 gr but, not always. I also write the number of thousands per gr so, that I can use 1/10 that number to add or subtract 1/10 increaments to my powder charges, when needed for load development.

Saying a Harrels will give you 1/10 for 3 clicks, is miss leading, it will depend on powder density.

Pictured is my book that I started 28 years ago. It also has info on the B&M plus a special 1/2" diameter drum that I made for powder charges over 20 gr of powder.

I also keep info on sight setting for scopes used on the rifles that I use. A book that I can't do w/o.

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Reply #9 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 2:58pm
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Bottom line is if you don't want the best measure currently out there as noted by others just simply don't buy the Harrell and take the advise of those who do not own or use one. There is no need to keep beating a dead horse to death bottom line is they all do what they are designed to some just do it better for some applications than others. The B&M is a good measure for use with stick powders and maybe the best, but if you plan on loading at the bench it requires using a funnel and is still only accurate to 3 tenths.

Here is a review on the Redding 3BR ( BenchRest ) measure if plan on using Unique or 2400 at some point in time, might hold true for other powders this gentleman had not yet tried?

The Redding Reloading MT-Grade Model 3BR Powder Measure #03500 is an accurate, reliable, and repeatable powder measure. Used it to load 250 44 Remington Magnum reloads using from 18.0 to 20.0 grains of 2400 powder. When I first set it up I found the micrometer to be off a bit, but definately in the ball-park. First few rounds I would measure the powder charge for each case; always within .1 grain. As I loaded more I went to every 5 rounds; always within .1 grain. Went to every 10 rounds and found about .1 to .2 grains as the level of powder dropped in the hopper so I stayed with every 5 rounds.

Periodically would get a charge that didn't want to cut - maybe every 30 rounds or so. If I got more resistance than normal I would drop that charge back into the hopper and measure the next couple. They were always within .1 grain.

I would recommend this device. No experience with others.

*******update December 2013******

Purchased the pistol metering micrometer for reloading 38 special. Using Bullseye powder, the measure would allow powder to leak around the rotating cylinder and "lock-up". Think I was noticing this in my initial review when I said it didn't want to cut the 2400 powder every 30 rounds or so. Bullseye powder will lock- up both the large and pistol measures, and 2400 will lockup the pistol measure. Contacted the factory and the had me clean and try again, but it made no difference. They asked me to send the pistol measure and frame back to them, but I have not done this yet (got a hornady L&L AP about that time and the included powder measure works great so I have procrastinated in paying for shipping to get the defective Redding sent back). Will update this review after Redding looks at it.
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 5:09pm
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I use Harrell's for Smokless, Have two regular large capacity and the small capacity Schuetzen-small Pistol. Belding and Mull for Black Powder. 

I have a made up Lyman 55, parts from several broken measures. It has a brass bushed bore that I am not sure was factory done, most are cast iron bore. It throws pretty good, real hard to adjust in small increments . I only use it for Black Powder Shot shell loading reading off the Dram scale. No comparison to Belding and Mulls in usability.  Also use the little fixed Rotor Bonanza's for Unique only. 

I  have had several other measures all sold off as not as good as Harrell's/Belding and Mull.

If I was buying a Black Powder measure from scratch would go for the MVA instead of the Belding as a modern made upgrade on the same design. Smokeless powder Harrell's is the standard

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Reply #11 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:14pm
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That darn horse just won't die Smiley

This guy really needs to send his back.

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Purchased the pistol metering micrometer for reloading 38 special. Using Bullseye powder, the measure would allow powder to leak around the rotating cylinder and "lock-up". Think I was noticing this in my initial review when I said it didn't want to cut the 2400 powder every 30 rounds or so. Bullseye powder will lock- up both the large and pistol measures, and 2400 will lockup the pistol measure. Contacted the factory and the had me clean and try again, but it made no difference. They asked me to send the pistol measure and frame back to them, but I have not done this yet (got a hornady L&L AP about that time and the included powder measure works great so I have procrastinated in paying for shipping to get the defective Redding sent back). Will update this review after Redding looks at it.


I've never used 2400 but, I've used B'eye a lot in my BSed 22rf loads. I can throw 1.0 gr, 1.2 gr, 1.35 gr and 1.5 gr and up, with accuracy in the .02 range.

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Re: Powder measure recommendations
Reply #12 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 8:36pm
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Bobduck wrote on Apr 20th, 2015 at 9:48am:
I managed to get a hold of some Accurate #9 but I find it won't work well in my Lyman 55 powder measure.   The granules are so fine they immediately bind up the measure.

I'm looking to purchase a new powder measure and am looking for input.

I have a gift certificate from Redding which allows me to purchase any product at 1/2 price.

I'm looking at their "Competition Model 10X"   and would appreciate any input upon it's suitability.

Also any other recommendations.

Thanks.

B'duckie


If you have a 1/2 off Redding certificate, the best bang for your buck (no pun intended) is the Redding 3BR with both the rifle and pistol micrometers.  I personally use a Harrell's measure but would not hesitate to use a 3BR.

As I recall, some years ago, while virtually snowed-in in New Mexico, Bob Birmley spent quite a bit of indoor time doing a comprehensive, side-by-side evaluation of powder measures.  Bob's work was subsequently published in The Fouling Shot.

Someone on this Board probably has the article or can at least reference the correct issue.   

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Reply #13 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 8:41pm
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One bad review lives forever in internet land. My bet is Redding would make it good right away. Best give the manufacturer every possible chance before running something down.

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Reply #14 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 9:20pm
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One more point regarding measures. No matter what measure you own, you have to "get to know" it. I've used my Redding for 28 years and know it well. I also made a double baffle for it but, my wife's Redding will throw the same charge at the same setting as mine and I didn't put a baffle in hers. That's another nice thing about Reddings, is they can be set to throw the same charge with the same settings, in two different measures.

If your not constant with the way you work the measure, it won't matter what brand you buy, it won't give you even charges! 

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