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new rear bag---sand????
Apr 12th, 2015 at 8:01am
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I just received a new custom rear bag from Protektor that I designed for use with the offhand-stocked rifles for load development and sight setting.  Basically its a taller bag with a steeper angle and a big ear on the off-side and a low one on the front to fit under the large off-hand cheek-pieces. 
I try to shoot them with a full solid hold, as close as I can to the way I hold when shooting offhand, and I found that my normal bags were not working right. The equal height ears caused interference with the cheek-piece on recoil.  This is sort of a test model that will most probably need further development.
  Now I just need to fill it.  I have not had to fill a shooting bag for a long time. What are the "heavy" sands currently in use now and where does one find them?
Last time I did, 10 years or so ago, I used some sort of heavy black snake-sand from a local pet supply----which is now out of business.  I looked on line at pet supplies and now they all use vegan-GMO-free, organic biodegradable "stuff".
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Re: new rear bag---sand????
Reply #1 - Apr 12th, 2015 at 8:13am
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I always have Protector fill all my bags I use and sell. They are very good at it and the Addie's shipping cost is offset by my time filling. I ask the not to fill the bags too tight. They are a great company to work with!
Sounds like a great ides. Post a photo when you get it filled.

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Reply #2 - Apr 12th, 2015 at 8:44am
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  A quantity of silica sand that weighs 4 1/2 lbs., that same quantity of zircon sand will weigh 7 1/2 lbs. "Black Diamond" blasting sand is not quite as heavy but commonly available.
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Reply #3 - Apr 12th, 2015 at 9:23am
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This works pretty good for filling eared bags. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 12th, 2015 at 9:56am
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You might consider steel shot.  I recall, probably incorrectly, that one can't use lead shot but steel might be "legal" if not fully in the spirit of the sport.   

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I think you will find you get more consistent accuracy, shot-to-shot with bags that are filled rock hard rather than soft. But that's my experience, I'm sure this is a point on which there is no universal agreement.
If you are considering competition, the rules will answer your question about filling sand bags. Following are pertinent extracts from the ASSRA and ISSA rules.
ASSRA sand bags:
Section 2.91 Sandbags and Rests
A sandbag or shaped rear rest sand filled bag made of leather or canvas may be used under the toe of the buttstock. No other device or support is permitted for the toe of the rifle. V-blocks or rests, guides, ways, or any such devices which may aid in alignment and realignment of the rifle, are prohibited. An anti-cant device (bob-sled) similar to the Pope style muzzle rest or the one described in Mann’s book is permitted. Also a spirit level or sight attached to the barrel is permitted. A simple stop may be attached to the front rest as an aid in realigning the rifle for the next shot. This may be contacted by the muzzle rest or the forearm at the discretion of the shooter if used at all. The front rest assembly and rear bag may not be connected mechanically or tied together. The shooting bench top surface is the only common connection between the two that will be allowed.

ISSA sand bags:
8.5 Sandbags must contain a nonmetallic substance and the use of Velcro or other attachments between the bag and the bench is prohibited.
8.6 All devices or equipment which may facilitate shooting and are contrary to the spirit of these rules and regulations are forbidden. The responsibility shall be upon the competitor to submit questionable equipment for inspection for an approval by the Schuetzenmeister prior to the match.
  

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I know that ASSRA regs clearly call for "sand" as opposed to lead shot etc. I'm not serious bench-rest group-size competitor (other than with the 22 rfs), so that is not much of an issue for me.
I already have the bag, so its too late to have Protektor do the filling. I have always tried to fill my shooting bag as solidly as possible and was planning on using that black "heavy sand" I bought from the pet store as "reptile sand"  but that store closed some years back.  now they are using more snake friendly materials.

I think there is some abrasive sand-blasting "sand" used in large welding shops that is both heavy and relatively coarse grit (which should help to keep it from shifting around in a packed bag)
  

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Reply #7 - Apr 12th, 2015 at 1:16pm
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Try Sinclair or Brownells.
  

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may have to, but kind of like to buy local and avoid the shipping costs if possible.    I'm guessing that its most likely an industrial abrasive and Sinclairl and Brownells are just repackaging it, marking it up and shipping it on.  I'll check some of our local industrial metal working supply houses this week.
  

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Sinclair International : (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) carries the heavy black sand.
  
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Nice article that might be helpful DW just click on the Link.

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Reply #11 - Apr 12th, 2015 at 9:38pm
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I'm particularly interested in how your new bag supports the rifle while breach seating.  I've been using a low eared bunny bag to stop the cheekpiece interference, along with a v-notch front barrel rest.  It's a been a challenging balancing act to keep the rifle from falling off the bag while loading.  I suppose I could use a sled but I'm happy with the results using the barrel rest I have.

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Reply #12 - Apr 13th, 2015 at 1:23am
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Bruno's shooters supply also carries black sand.
  

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Stay away from that pirate Lester Bruno.

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Reply #14 - Apr 13th, 2015 at 9:21am
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Oooooh     had a problem there apparently John?   I've looked at their site on occasion but never saw anything I wanted that I could not find elsewhere--usually at better prices---at sites I had previous experience with.   I don't but "on-line" with sites that are new to me,   shop on-line, order by phone and ONLY pay with Post Office Money Orders, is my hard-wired rule.
  

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