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Increase In Barrel Length And Velocity - 40-65 ?
Apr 2nd, 2015 at 2:16am
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Is there going to be an advantage or a hinderance by increasing barrel length in a 40-65?  30 vs 32 inch.  New to black powder, trying to figure things out.  Will be competing eventually.

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Reply #1 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:34am
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One thing for sure, you'll feel the extra barrel length when shooting off-hand. The last time I shot my 45-90 Roller with a 32" #4 full octagon barrel was in a 60 shot silhouette match. By the time I got to the 15th chicken that rifle felt like it weighed 50 lbs. I don't see any up-side to a 32" barrel.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 8:42am
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Many thanks.  That certainly make a lot of sense.  So best to use a 30 inch barrel.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:21am
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Other than the added weight something else to consider is your bullet design. How much lube will the bullet hold? There is a chance that there may not be enough lube on the bullet and that extra 2" of barrel may not get enough lube and you end up with a dry area at the end of the barrel which could lead to accuracy problems.
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:37am
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I shoot black powder in my .40-65 Remington rolling block that has a #4 26" barrel.  It balances well in off-hand shooting.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:43am
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Zep wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 2:16am:
Is there going to be an advantage or a hinderance by increasing barrel length in a 40-65?  30 vs 32 inch.  New to black powder, trying to figure things out.  Will be competing eventually.


I don't think you'll notice any difference, except that the recoil will be very slightly less. Sighting though, will be slightly better.

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Reply #6 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:46am
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.22Hepburn wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:34am:
One thing for sure, you'll feel the extra barrel length when shooting off-hand. The last time I shot my 45-90 Roller with a 32" #4 full octagon barrel was in a 60 shot silhouette match. By the time I got to the 15th chicken that rifle felt like it weighed 50 lbs. I don't see any up-side to a 32" barrel.


When I was in my teens (and a cadet) I shot a target with a BREN, offhand, and I was not even slightly chunky in those days. The only reason I was never blown down by the wind was that if I turned sideways...

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Reply #7 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 2:11pm
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.22Hepburn wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:34am:
One thing for sure, you'll feel the extra barrel length when shooting off-hand. The last time I shot my 45-90 Roller with a 32" #4 full octagon barrel was in a 60 shot silhouette match. By the time I got to the 15th chicken that rifle felt like it weighed 50 lbs. I don't see any up-side to a 32" barrel.

Am shooting a 32" 40-65 full-octagon Win #3 1/2 profile barrel on a Hepburn and have no problem shooting it off-hand (other than being a poor shot). Same barrel in 38cal on my High Wall and no problems. Dave - you've just become a wuss in your old age. Wink See you at Quinton on Saturday? Rain should be gone before we start shooting but the wind won't.

Longer barrel, as stated above, gives a slightly better sight-picture with iron sights (no difference if using a scope) and probably 10-20fps higher MV (think the rule-of-thumb is 10-15fps per inch of barrel length). As for a weight issue, depends on you if the extra length would be a hindrance in off-hand. Many folks prefer the stabilizing effect of a longer/heavier barrel when shooting off-hand. You will have to figure what works best for you. If you go for 32" and decide you do not care for it (think it is too long) then is inexpensive to have the barrel cut back and recrowned. However, if you wish it were longer when purchasing a shorter barrel, it gets expensive to add back that extra length. I would say err on the side of "too long" and shorten if you do not like the length after shooting for a bit.

Have shot several different bullets (BACo Money and Saeco 640) in 32" barrel and have yet to notice any hard fouling due to lack of lube with SPG or Big Sky lube. However, I wipe between shots rather than blow-tube and that may be an advantage in fouling control.
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm
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Easier to find a soft case to fit a rifle with thirty inch barrel. 

Wind? Rocks. In your pockets.

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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:10pm
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better yet   buy a rifle that fits a case you have   art
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 8:09pm
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Zep, another very important consideration is making weight limits.  My Shiloh with a 30" heavy barrel in .40-65 is too heavy to make the silhouette weight limit unless I use a scope.  The same barrel on a highwall would be well under weight.

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Reply #11 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 8:47pm
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I shoot a Cody Ballard #7 in Silhouette with a 34" #4 full octagon and it makes weight with  a windage front and a Kermit Hoke sight on the rear. But, it's a .45-70..

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Reply #12 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 8:19am
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gunlaker wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:
Zep, another very important consideration is making weight limits.  My Shiloh with a 30" heavy barrel in .40-65 is too heavy to make the silhouette weight limit unless I use a scope.  The same barrel on a highwall would be well under weight.
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Yes........ another consideration. My Hepburn with the 32" Win #3 1/2 profile full octagon barrel has a 14oz recoil suppressor in the stock and still weighs under 12# with a Hoke sight and large P-H front sight. My C. Sharps High Wall with the same barrel (although in 38cal, so more metal) weighs 12# 1oz with the same sights. When ordering a rifle, no matter from who, specify what you will be using it for. If just over weight you can always drill a hole in the wood under the buttplate to take some weight out. If full octagon, can always have the barrel turned to half round.
  

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Re: Increase In Barrel Length And Velocity - 40-65 ?
Reply #13 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 3:22pm
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I certainly appreciate all comments.  

Is 12 pounds the weight I want to stay under for a first rifle and hopefully last rifle.  Want to compete, not quite sure in what but want to get out and compete within a few state area.     

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Reply #14 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 4:49pm
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12# 2oz for iron sight rifle for BPCR. 15# for a scoped BPCR or any BPTR rifle.
  

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