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Brudford01 Full Member Offline Posts: 196 Location: Beaver Falls PA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 10:20am	Print Post
	I got all excited after I placed an order for IMR powder at Sinclair for 8.0 Lbs. for $ 159.00 received a confirmation number also . Checked their site this am and the powder was out of stock and they stated there was a computer error and I should of never got a confirmation number . After the ATF's and Obama's announcement that he will ban green tip .223 ammo by excecutive order their has been a run of powder, brass and anything associated with the .223 ammo . I know IMR 4227 is not best for the .223 but it will work . It could be years before we see any IMR 4227 powder again ! My CPA rifle is on order , I guess I could use up my 8.0 lbs of Goex 2f or call Gail and stop my CPA rifle build . If I cannot buy smokeless powder what is the point . I do have 2.0 lbs. of Unique about 1/2 lb. lb. Bullesye and 4 lbs. of Winchester 296 will any of these work in loads for the 32-40 ? Thanks


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jeffer1942 Senior Forum Member ASSRA Target Sales Offline Posts: 296 Location: Chicago North suburb Joined: May 31^st, 2004	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #1 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 11:01am	Print Post
	Unique will work but can be hard to meter,and 296 work, but DO NOT use Bullseye under any circumstance...it's way too fast and hot for .32-40. Also, you can try to get 4759, RL7, 300MP, or 4100, all of which will work in your rifle.


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JackHughs Oldtimer Offline Posts: 657 Location: Riverbank Joined: Sep 27^th, 2008	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #2 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 11:18am	Print Post
	Brudford01 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 10:20am: I got all excited after I placed an order for IMR powder at Sinclair for 8.0 Lbs. for $ 159.00 received a confirmation number also . Checked their site this am and the powder was out of stock and they stated there was a computer error and I should of never got a confirmation number . After the ATF's and Obama's announcement that he will ban green tip .223 ammo by excecutive order their has been a run of powder, brass and anything associated with the .223 ammo . I know IMR 4227 is not best for the .223 but it will work . It could be years before we see any IMR 4227 powder again ! My CPA rifle is on order , I guess I could use up my 8.0 lbs of Goex 2f or call Gail and stop my CPA rifle build . If I cannot buy smokeless powder what is the point . I do have 2.0 lbs. of Unique about 1/2 lb. lb. Bullesye and 4 lbs. of Winchester 296 will any of these work in loads for the 32-40 ? Thanks Win 296 is an excellent powder for the .32-40 - one of the best. If you have four pounds, you're in good shape. JackHughs

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rr2241tx Full Member Offline Posts: 137 Location: San Marcos Joined: Mar 27^th, 2012	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #3 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 11:19am	Print Post
	The W-296 you have should work as well as IMR 4227 you can't get. In that same general range, you can get A-2400 and IMR 4198 and both of those seem to be in stock again.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #4 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 11:22am	Print Post
	People aren't using much 296 any more but, as was said, it's excellent powder for the 32/40. 12.5 to 13.0 gr should give as good or better accuracy as 14.0 to 14.8 gr of 4227. Jim Ferens still standing world record 100 shot score was shot with 12.7 gr. Frank

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Brudford01 Full Member Offline Posts: 196 Location: Beaver Falls PA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #5 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 11:40am	Print Post
	Frank that's good to know . I still have about 4 lbs. left of the Winchester 296 from my competitive Skeet shooting days with the SKB OU .410 . We are talking about the same powder right ? I will try to find some loads for use with the 32-40 . Thanks


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3735 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #6 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	I have had no problem getting 4227 as long as I check Powder Valley every day when I get to the point where I want more. I check about 9 am Pacific time since they will be out by afternoon. I got the last 8 lbs two weeks ago for $165 ($200 with shipping and hazmat). My local Cabelas had 1 lb bottles in stock on Saturday. Jack

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #7 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	brudford, Yes, Winchester 296. Back in the 80's and 90's about 1/2 the top shooters used either 296 or H110 (same powder) but, around '96 or so, people started using #9 and H108 (WC820) and I don't know why but, 296 fell out of favor. It's still a excellent powder for the 32/40 and others. I've chonoed 12.5 and gotten extreme spreds as low as 6 fps and SD's at 2.5 using pistol primers (F150). Frank

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Brudford01 Full Member Offline Posts: 196 Location: Beaver Falls PA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #8 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 7:14pm	Print Post
	Thanks again Frank I think your info is right on ! I guess Hodgdon bought the rights to the Winchester powders and renamed Win. 296 to H110 like you stated . I found the load data on Hodgdon's webpage for a load for a Pope style lead bullet 204 grs. of H110 around 12.5-13.0 grs. Well I guess when I get my new CPA bench rifle I will use my 4 lbs.of 296 . Thanks for the history about Win 296 being used as a favorite powder in the Schutzen game for the 32-40. You would think that IMR 4227 powder was the Holy Grail of powders for the 32-40 by reading some posts .


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Adrian Full Member Offline Posts: 122 Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #9 - Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	8.5 grains of Unique will surprise you, if making fixed ammo. If breech seating heavy 200 grain bullets, you may need to try 8-9 grains and see what shoots best. It's a dirty burning powder, give it 20-30 shots to foul the bore and settle into groups.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #10 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 1:31am	Print Post
	I have always been afraid to use 296 or H-110 in my Ballard. I have seen others use it in theirs. A couple of very experienced shooters damaged a 32-40 on a Ruger action with H-110. They set the barrel back and did it again. It was not a double charge and they did not figure out what it was that caused it. Quit while they were ahead Probably 25 years ago. I do not remember any more than that.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12275 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #11 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 1:56am	Print Post
	That was Manley Oakley and a shooter I will not name. They were using a BR style bottle neck case. Fixed and breech seated lead bullets with H110. They did blow it up twice and rebuilt it. Sold it at a gun show. They started the tests to try to determine why a couple rifles were destroyed using H110 back in the late eighties. Manley determined that the BR style case was all wrong with lead bullets and ball powders. Told me that he thought the ball powder was blown up into the neck of the case at ignition, causing a solid obstruction causing detonation and destruction of the rifle. After the rifles in the late eighties were destroyed Chuck Bordman gave me all his H110 which worked perfectly in my 32-40. I knew about the H110 blowups so always used LR primers and kept the powder charges on the light side. Like 12.5 - 13.5 gr in that area. Joe.
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Brudford01 Full Member Offline Posts: 196 Location: Beaver Falls PA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #12 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 10:18am	Print Post
	I called the Hodgdon Powder Co. today and spoke with a tech guy in the factory . They will stand behind their load data for the 32-40 with the H10 powder , but only for a fixed load , not a breech seated bullet ! I'am waiting for a call back from one of the owners sons Chris Hodgdon who used to do some Schuetzen . Thanks


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #13 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	296 is alive well out my way and still a very popular choice by some of our competitors. H-110 and 296 were not one in the same as some might believe, 296 was slower. 4227 is and has been available for several months but not at Powder Valley. 300MP and AA4100 are also excellent choices they just are not available at this time.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: IMR 4227 powder for 32-40 Reply #14 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 4:10pm	Print Post
	Thanks Joe, I thought that was 32-40. Back when I was loading 357 Mag with 296, light loads were causing blow up trouble Cowboy shooters were doing the same thing with their 45 Colt SSA but not sure which or how many powders. I'm sticking to 4227 in my Ballard

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