Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Duplicating original stock finishes (Read 16725 times)
GeorgeC
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


ASSRA 11411

Posts: 521
Location: Madison, IN
Joined: Dec 27th, 2012
Duplicating original stock finishes
Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:13pm
Print Post  
Most of the original rifles I've owned had a red/brown finish on the stock.  Now all the reproductions have a clear finish which results in a light brown finish.  I prefer the old style finish.  Like to hear some opinions on duplicating the old finishes.
« Last Edit: Feb 21st, 2015 at 10:23pm by GeorgeC »  

Never mind the mule. Just load the wagon.
Back to top
IP Logged
 
rgchristensen
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1186
Joined: Jan 2nd, 2014
Re: Duplicating original finishes
Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm
Print Post  
   "Firearm Blueing and Browning"  RH Angier

CHRIS
RGChristensen
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Seanmp
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 294
Location: Land O Lakes
Joined: May 19th, 2014
Re: Duplicating original finishes
Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 10:13pm
Print Post  
I'm working on a project right now that really needs that warm deep chocolate brown. I use the Laurel Mountain Forge product . It does work very well.
But... 
Everything it says about rubbing with a wet cloth and not carding hard ignore 

If you follow these directions you end up with a red rust finish but not true browning.however if you card it hard on every turn you end up with that beautiful finish. 
I'll post a pic here tomorrow when the parts come out of the sweat box for the next carding

Yes there are all kinds of genuine formulas for browning solutions but finding the components isn't as easy now as in 1870
  

Sean
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
GeorgeC
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


ASSRA 11411

Posts: 521
Location: Madison, IN
Joined: Dec 27th, 2012
Re: Duplicating original finishes
Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 10:19pm
Print Post  
I should have made myself more clear.  I am talking about the stock finish.
  

Never mind the mule. Just load the wagon.
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Seanmp
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 294
Location: Land O Lakes
Joined: May 19th, 2014
Re: Duplicating original finishes
Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 10:22pm
Print Post  
Aha
Red root oil
... Good luck
  

Sean
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Kurt_701
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1050
Location: Missouri
Joined: May 20th, 2004
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 11:03pm
Print Post  
Expensive, but check out Pilkington Red/Brown finish from Brownell's.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);
703-350-502W 
Red - Brown Classic Finish 

Kurt
  

M-14 3rd Battalion 27th Marines RVN 68'69'
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 17976
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #6 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:11am
Print Post  
Try Tapadera's for the reddish hue old Winchesters and Marlins had.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Dr Tom
Ex Member


Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #7 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:46am
Print Post  
I read somewhere that "Winchester Red" was a stain made by boiling down the husks of the walnut fruit. I grew up in walnut country and recall the potent dye that was easily extracted. Back then, I didn't know that one could make something useful from it.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Seanmp
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 294
Location: Land O Lakes
Joined: May 19th, 2014
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #8 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 8:01am
Print Post  
Quote:
I read somewhere that "Winchester Red" was a stain made by boiling down the husks of the walnut fruit. I grew up in walnut country and recall the potent dye that was easily extracted. Back then, I didn't know that one could make something useful from it.


I actually know that concoction. That gives a solution known as eaux noir (black water) that was popular in use on furniture from france during Loius XIV Sun King period. Its very purple/black
  

Sean
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
40_Rod
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Extremism in the persuit
of accuracy is not a
vice

Posts: 4285
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: Apr 20th, 2004
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #9 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 8:43am
Print Post  
Soak walnut husks in mineral spirits for a couple of months Strain through some cheesecloth. Bottle it up. You have enough stain to last you the rest of your life. Use rubber gloves as this stuff will stain down to the bone.

40 Rod 
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
GeorgeC
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


ASSRA 11411

Posts: 521
Location: Madison, IN
Joined: Dec 27th, 2012
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #10 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:18am
Print Post  
Thanks for the information.  That red brown finish on Ballards look so rich.  I had a Stevens Model 53 hat had dark plum color.   
Of course, if it were the original finish the dark patina created by oil, wax, use, and age cannot be duplicated.   
  

Never mind the mule. Just load the wagon.
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Chuckster
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2309
Location: Colorado
Joined: May 15th, 2008
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #11 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:57am
Print Post  
Play with a little bit of Burnt Sienna oil colors in your finish. Will give a slight reddish cast.   
Chuck
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
rollingblock
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 399
Location: Texas part of New Mexico
Joined: Aug 19th, 2012
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #12 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 2:52pm
Print Post  
Seanmp wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 8:01am:
Quote:
I read somewhere that "Winchester Red" was a stain made by boiling down the husks of the walnut fruit. I grew up in walnut country and recall the potent dye that was easily extracted. Back then, I didn't know that one could make something useful from it.


I actually know that concoction. That gives a solution known as eaux noir (black water) that was popular in use on furniture from france during Loius XIV Sun King period. Its very purple/black


Which do you get from this concoction, a "Winchester red" or a "very purple/black". Does it vary from batch to batch?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Old-Win
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1821
Location: Minnesota
Joined: Nov 24th, 2005
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #13 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:52pm
Print Post  
Most companies probably used a product similar to this.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
It used to be called Herter's French Red.  It's a wiping stain that also fills the pores of the wood.  It will muddy the figure in fancy woods but if you look at a nice old fancy grained Winchester, they had that look.  I believe the varnish that was applied after the stain, had a honey gold color to it and that is very hard to duplicate.  Up until the 50's, you used to be able to buy varnish with stain in it to color wood.
I also, mix these dyes to give me the color I am looking for.  Lot easier than alkanet root or walnut hulls.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);
Birchwood Casey's Rusty Brown is another one that you can try.  Not quite the same but close.  The aneline dyes like Behlen's, LMF, and Tapadera's are very penetrating so dilute them and put on multiple coats because if it's too dark, you're stuck.  Still another, is TransTint, which is available at wood crafters stores.  Comes in many colors and a little bottle goes a long ways.  Bob
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
QuestionableMaynard8130
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4144
Location: Benton  Harbor MI
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: Duplicating original stock finishes
Reply #14 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 4:04pm
Print Post  
many old time stock (and furniture) makers  used a stain brewed from alkanet root shavings long-soaked in turpentine to even out color irregularities in walnut wood.  My understanding is that it was standard practice at Winchester and perhaps others.  
I bought a packet of Alkanet shavings years ago from Dick Binger  I believe he used it when doing Winchester stocks.  He told me to put it in a small bottle of natural turp. and just let its soak like a "sun tea".  Then when doing a stock once its all sanded but before applying any finish rub the turp.- based stain into the wool and let it soak in and dry before applying any finish.  Alkanet can be googled to find sources.
  

sacred cows make the best burger
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3 
Send TopicPrint