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Feb 19th, 2015 at 5:16pm
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Just read through the discussion on range safety and thought of the range I belong to. Some members of our club set up large cement blocks, as in highway divider size. Put ~50 gal. plastic barrels filled with sand in front of them. Then set up a heavy rubber mats, might be horse stall mats, in front of the barrels.  Is this a good back stop design, will they hold up?
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2015 at 8:15pm
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My experience with 5/8" conveyor belting, not steel belted, is one shoots out the center of the target.  If you are really good it's only a 2 inch hole but for me more like a foot...and that is close range.  You can add rubber belting with grabber screws to patch the hole. 

WRT gravel, I tested how well pea gravel would stop bullets.  A 4 inch wall filled with gravel stops a 45 ACP and 357 mag.  Not sure about the Jersey barriers, height is probably important.   

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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2015 at 8:50pm
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Our indoor club range uses heavy rubber matting in front of portable steel bullet traps when setting the range for IDPA matches. It shoots out center were lot of bullets hit.  About all it's good for is slow the bullet down so the slanted back steel trap does not take as much impact. We replace it often.

Back stop all the way down that range is slanted steel deflecting into mulched up rubber tire materal. Used to use sand and sift the lead out.  Ground up old tires are removed and discarded not sifted or re-used.  Lot cleaner and easier job than the sand if not as cheap.

Club outdoor range all backstops are dirt, graded when needed. We do have RR ties protecting steel target carriers and silhouette rails.  Firm rule is don't shoot anything on top of the ties. They eat up quick if used for target stands.

I can't speak to drums with sand or concrete except if AR's with small bullets are used, they will eat about anything up but dirt. Slow lead has the least effect on backstops, small fast jacketed the most.

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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2015 at 11:16pm
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I know that old tires filled with dirt are not a good backstop.  There's a lady in town that knows it better than I do since she's the one that got hit in the gut by a rebound from a 45 ACP.  We don't use old tires anymore.

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Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 2:57am
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JS47 wrote on Feb 19th, 2015 at 11:16pm:
I know that old tires filled with dirt are not a good backstop.  There's a lady in town that knows it better than I do since she's the one that got hit in the gut by a rebound from a 45 ACP.  We don't use old tires anymore.

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Pea gravel is definitely good.  Not sure about the rest, but a slug should follow the hard concrete surface with no more that 2 degrees deflection according to studies I have seen, FBI and Penn State.  I know a fellow who used a metal detector to pick hundreds of slugs off a playground next to a P R.  He took them  to the board and told them they needed to remove the tires.  Digging deep into their infinite wisdom for a proper solution, they threatened to throw him out of the club.  Cry
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 3:45pm
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Brilliant. That will surely solve the problem. Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 4:06pm
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I have had 2 presidents wanting to throw me out for insisting on projectile retention.  It is a treadmill!  Get one thing resolved and something worse comes up and there is more resistance.  It should not take an IQ over 130 to figure this out  Cry Undecided  Ignorance can be fixed, but adding arrogance to stubborn ignorance = stupidity! If I had known 30 years ago what I know now, I would have taken up ping pong or anything else  Cry Cry Cry
  

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