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Nero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1023 Location: NZ Joined: Jun 1^st, 2006	Spotting scopes and chamber flags. Feb 17^th, 2015 at 4:41pm	Print Post
	Some time back there were a few pages here debating the pro's and con's of spotting scopes. Kowa and Unertl would appear the favored ones and unless you can look through one on the range to see if you can see 22 calibre bullet holes in the black at two hundred metres or in the case of my club, in the red, they are a lot of money to buy and then be disappointed with the fact that they are no better than the one you are already using. I once had an expensive 20 x 40 x 60 Swarovski which I sometimes had trouble spotting holes at one hundred metres in the black. Sold it and bought a second hand Japanese Greenkat for fifty dollars which was just as good. I have a 20 and a 40 power lens for this but the 20 is the one I always use. Rambling on here a bit, but a few weeks back at my local two hundred metre range a guy turned up with a Konus 20 x 60 x 100 spotting scope. Light rain was falling at the time and the scope was out in the open getting wet but I could clearly see 22 bullet holes with this scope at this distance. All for $322-70 from Planet Optics. Also on another post about safety on the range no mention was made of using chamber flags when walking to or from the firing line or when people are forward changing targets.
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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Spotting scopes and chamber flags. Reply #1 - Feb 17^th, 2015 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	At Etna Green the firing line line is not called "safe" (allowing folk to go down and pull/post targets) until all rifles on the line are checked to be sure the actions are open and chambers are flagged. its in the "range command litany" The person running the microphone also asks you to check the rifle on each side of you--just in case. Then we all are supposed to "back off the concrete" which usually puts 5 or 6 feet of clear space between any one and any firearm on the benches. this allows for a visual inspection of the whole line. ONLY when all guns are checked and found to be safe will the command be given to allow folk to go down range. because of the length of the firing line (50 covered benches) we are allowed to quickly pass through the firing line on the way to and from the targets. But woe be to anyone who stops for any length on time at their bench, or does anything other than pick up a stapler of targets from their bench on the way. Anyone moving guns from the bench to the clubhouse or to their vehicle is supposed to have the action open.

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UtahDave Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 396 Location: Heber City, Utah Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010	Re: Spotting scopes and chamber flags. Reply #2 - Feb 17^th, 2015 at 8:35pm	Print Post
	An interesting view on spotting scopes. I had a Celestron and replaced it with Kowa, it was quite a bit better. Frankly I sometimes find my 20x Unertl scope to be the best of all. Maybe the problem is we all are using bird spotting scopes with big objectives. I would like to find a 50 mm objective scope in 60 power. I would bet it would be dim but very clear. What is the rifle? It is very nice, how about some more photos in the photo section. Dave


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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 435 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: Spotting scopes and chamber flags. Reply #3 - Feb 17^th, 2015 at 9:00pm	Print Post
	+10 on that drill. It's amazing how easily folks fall into fiddling with their stuff without a clear and universal "range is cold" protocol. My $125 Barska 20-60 allows me to see bullet holes in the black easily at 200; 300 in the rain, not so much. UtahDave wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 8:35pm: An interesting view on spotting scopes. I had a Celestron and replaced it with Kowa, it was quite a bit better. Frankly I sometimes find my 20x Unertl scope to be the best of all. Maybe the problem is we all are using bird spotting scopes with big objectives. I would like to find a 50 mm objective scope in 60 power. I would bet it would be dim but very clear. What is the rifle? It is very nice, how about some more photos in the photo section. Dave

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Nero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1023 Location: NZ Joined: Jun 1^st, 2006	Re: Spotting scopes and chamber flags. Reply #4 - Feb 17^th, 2015 at 9:53pm	Print Post
	I live in New Zealand and the only Unertl scope I have ever seen here is the fifteen power I brought out from England on a rifle when I moved here over thirty five years ago. I must admit though that I don't get around much to other ranges. The rifle was retailed by Cogswell and Harrison and was probably made around 1885/1890 by Samuel Allport in Birmingham as I have seen other famous London makers names on exactly the same rifle. Its been sleeved sometime in its life from a centre fire to 22 R/F


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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Spotting scopes and chamber flags. Reply #5 - Feb 17^th, 2015 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	Nero, Since you mention Cogswell and Harrison, A friend has a hammer double 50 C&H that he would like to get a letter of provenance on. I went to the C&H website and twice sent them an email requesting information on the process but have not heard back. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks, JS


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Nero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1023 Location: NZ Joined: Jun 1^st, 2006	Re: Spotting scopes and chamber flags. Reply #6 - Feb 18^th, 2015 at 12:31am	Print Post
	No sorry, I didn't even know they had a web site. Thought they were defunct years ago.


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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Spotting scopes and chamber flags. Reply #7 - Feb 18^th, 2015 at 2:09am	Print Post
	Their website is cogswellandharrison.com


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