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jseines
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I am graduating from an Redfield International rear/front sight to an Anschutz 7020 kit...in the past I used only a post insert for the Redfield Globe front sight with no filter...the 7020 will come with the adjustable iris...my question, what filters are best for the 200yd "red" target for both bright and cloudy conditions and also what size inserts work the best ?...Thanks/John
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I would suggest you take a look at " Competitive Shooting" by A. A. Yur' Yev. This is the Russian Olympic shooting book. They tried many different colors and shapes of apertures. They concluded that no filter was best. I have use Gehmann irises and now I favor a Merit disc. It generally offers a smaller aperture which works best for my old eyes. I have used a green filter on bright days and a yellow filter on over cast days. I shoot HP and smallbore. Good shooting!
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My group sizes always open up whenever I try a filter.
I only shoot with normal light.
To accurately shoot with iron sights I have learned to adjust my rear aperture (manage light coming to your eye) and to sharpen your front globe sight so that it is slightly sharper than your target red spot.
It does not matter if the target is fuzzy. Your eye will center it. But it centers it better if your front globe ring is the sharpest.
Adjusting the light through your rear aperture focuses your front globe sight.
An old Olympic coach advised me your group size will be three times larger if both your globe ring and target are both sharp.
It worked for me. I have been the International Schuetzen Benchrest Champion twice at the U.S. Nationals.
Also make sure your front globe aperture is wide enough to provide enough light.
My aperture is three times wider than the red target spot.
Most people shoot with too small of a front aperture.
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Depending on your ability to hold a post can be handy in offhand. If you are fighting a wobble area, a post
offers a little more control as you drift to center. Most of the time, I also like an aperture. As Schuetzendave says your front aperture focus should be sharp and accept the less sharp target. When you are young your visual acuity, permits your focus to move rapidly from front sight to target. You loose that ability as you age.
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Thanks to all...quality advise...keep it coming, my ears work...Thanks again/John
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Plastic front aperture.
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Clear. Best I ever used. A very calming front sight picture. The beveled hole and the non descript color worked well for me in all light, but try them all, at different times, to find what works best for YOU.
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That brings up a interesting question...... Does anyone know of a supplier of glass 18mm inserts?
I shoot a tube sight of my own manufactor and I use either Redfield Olympic or Anschutz, 18mm inserts. With the Olympics, I have to cut the ears off them to fit the sight and the cross bars, as well as the aperiture take away a lot of the sight picture. But, the plastic Anschutz aperiture are not legal for Traditional class shooting.
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I use a tube sight with an clear adjustable Anschutz front and an Anschutz rear with colored filters.
The filters are rarely used but the light grey and the light green can be helpful on occasion. Green is the color complement of red and will substantially darken the red bull. This helps me when mirage is up.
Light grey helps on really bright days.
The only way to determine if a given filter is helpful or not is to try them under varying conditions of light and mirage. Not everyone "sees" the same and what works for one shooter on a given day may be the kiss of death for another.
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Guys, I should have added that I used this setup (Clear Plastic Aperture) for punching paper. When I shoot silhouette, this set up is not used, it is not legal.
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Filters are a very individual choice. When I shot a lot of small-bore prone in Australia my club owned Anschutz 54 Super Match had all sorts of filters available colors polarized etc. Club shot under several light conditions, Match every Wed at 7 pm, daylight time twilight, off daylight under artificial lights. Sat Morning match with bright sun coming from 9 o/c at times other times deep cloud shade. Bulls eye target using good aperture sights I gave up on all the filters but did vary the aperture size front and rear often. Match time set the front according to expected ambient condition bright or dark, every shot checked sharp front ring focus if not sharp spun the rear dial fine tuning
Post vs. Aperture is another thing. For BPCS or Lever Silhouette post is much better for placing your shots. Lever it’s required, BPCS you can use anything you want. Indistinct aiming point picking the right spot on the critter is essential. Down side is small pin head post is very hard for older eyes to focus sharp, and get good focus on the animal same time. For a number of years I shot our club offhand iron sight matches as good as anybody using a very small pin head front post. However last few years my eyes won’t hold good focus on the sight for more than a few seconds. Have to hold the gun eyes closed open and break as soon as I get a good sight picture. I can show you a log with every single shot missed over 5 years and probably 90 % of misses were due to fuzzy front post and bead.
End of last season loosing the 200 shot CF aggregate club championship by one target figured I needed something new. No sense in letting eyesight dictate the score. I might add fellow that beat me is older than I am and has the same focus issues. He uses post and bead front too. Backed off on our matches and in practice am trying to learn to shoot silhouettes with aperture sights.
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Back to the Apeture front. It’s much easier on my eyes, focus is not an issue at all, but the aiming point is indistinct and groups on steel swingers are larger than with the post and bead. Scores are not that much different as it’s a pretty large target and all you have to do is hit it. 4 or 5 moa group centered will hit every one, which is better than a 3 or 4 moa group with flyer misses over the back when the post and bead went fuzzy on me. Still my scores are not what they were several years ago.
On bulls eye targets like the ASSRA it’s easier to find center with apertures, compared to irregular targets in silhouette. Other difference a score target is not hit or miss, how close you hit makes a big difference. As far as the red bulls eye, it’s intended to make things easier to spot, net effect is it makes iron sights very hard to shoot. Best answer to that problem is never shoot a red bulls eye. Keep a stock of your own black targets to substitute if the match only has red.
Last and probably more than you wanted to know about front sights, I shoot some 10 M Air rifle winter time. Lots of kids on college teams. Almost all use a wide flat post, same size as the 10 meter bulls eye, and a 6 o/c hold just like a bulls eye pistol shooter. If my aperture front experiment does not pan out will give wide flat front a try.
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What is an adjustable aperture front sight? I use the clear plastic inserts in a Lyman front sight but that isn't "adjustable", it's replaceable. Is this some new toy I need to buy
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I use a Gehmann 536 ring thickening front adjustable iris in my Anschutz front globe.
It provides the sharpest front aperture sight I have tried.
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One on my prone rifle was a Anschutz. Result is no different than changing the front Arpeture. It's just faster and can be done from position.
Arpeture I am using now for silhouette is custom made by Distant Thunder. A bit too big am going to get him to make one a bit smaller.
He will make anything, friend of mine has a rectangle front. Idea is it frames Rams. Not a success far as I can see.
Kurtz "Russian Book" advice is good. None of this is new, tested to highest levels by the Russians.
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UtahDave wrote
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What is an adjustable aperture front sight? I use the clear plastic inserts in a Lyman front sight but that isn't "adjustable", it's replaceable. Is this some new toy I need to buy
This is adjustable front iris I use; except mine is marked "Anschutz" instead of Gehmann.
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