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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1821 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	If You Could Choose?? Feb 16^th, 2015 at 11:47am	Print Post
	If you were going to build a Schuetzen rifle using one of the following actions, which one would you choose? Highwall Helm triggers, Ballard double set triggers, Stevens 44 1/2 double sets or Borchardt. Please! Just use attributes of each action, not support, cost, looks,or other reasons. Thanks. Bob


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2942 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #1 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	You listed them in the order I would pick them, based on looks and function (having owned all three). All have enough strength (assuming a forged Ballard) that they are fine with anything we would want to chamber them in. The big advantage to the 1885 is the 'cock on opening' function of the hammer. A feature I miss on my Hepburn rifles as my old hands/fingers get more arthritic.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7627 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #2 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	If your plans include OH shooting and you can find one, I would go with the Borchardt. They have the fastest lock time of all of them. Frank

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graduated peep Ex Member	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #3 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	[quote author=6767675C5B5B405146340 link=1424105277/1#1 date=1424107597]You listed them in the order I would pick them, based on looks and function (having owned all three). All have enough strength (assuming a forged Ballard) that they are fine with anything we would want to chamber them in. The big advantage to the 1885 is the 'cock on opening' function of the hammer. A feature I miss on my Hepburn rifles as my old hands/fingers get more arthritic.[/quote Please correct me if I'm wrong but, if you are referring to FULL cock on opening, that would pertain to only the flat spring version of 1885 ? I thought that the later coil spring 1885's went to half cock ???


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7627 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #4 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	I have several and mine seem to cock on closing the breech block. Frank

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pdshooter Ex Member	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #5 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	Would have to consider seriously the CPA 44 1/2. Additional easily interchanged barrels is a plus.


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4228 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #6 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	All four of these single shot rifles would make excellent Schuetzen rifles. They will all perform equally and only slight differences in faster lock time may give the Borchardt a slightly better advantage. Striker actions like the Miller DeHaas would be slightly better yet for lock time but their trigger may not be as good as some set triggers (and are not an original design). I have great luck with set triggers; double or single, regardless of receiver used (when properly adjusted). The ability for a quick release to catch the wind change (bench) or tag the bulls eye before you move across it (offhand) are better met with a set trigger (and probably more important than minute differences in lock time).
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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 844 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #7 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 6:13pm	Print Post
	High Walls can be had with two types of DST as well as with Single Set Trigger.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2942 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #8 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 6:34pm	Print Post
	Quote: SSShooter wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 12:26pm: The big advantage to the 1885 is the 'cock on opening' function of the hammer. A feature I miss on my Hepburn rifles as my old hands/fingers get more arthritic. Please correct me if I'm wrong but, if you are referring to FULL cock on opening, that would pertain to only the flat spring version of 1885 ? I thought that the later coil spring 1885's went to half cock ??? C. Sharps makes only coil-spring actions and they go to full-cock. Same with my flat-spring Winder Musket and the other flat-spring actions I'm aware of. frnkeore wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 1:00pm: I have several and mine seem to cock on closing the breech block. Frank Did give some thought on whether it is more correct to call it cock-on-open or cock-on-close and could not decide. Whichever is more correct, I like the fact that once the lever is fully cycled to reload, the hammer is at full-cock and ready to fire.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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cmargs Junior Member Offline Posts: 61 Location: madison,OH Joined: Jun 18^th, 2008	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #9 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	Borchardt with double set triggers. If you can find one. I was lucky enough to find one. I have all of the mentioned except ballard, don't like them. just me. cmargs.


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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #10 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	Ballards scare me,I only have one in .22RF. My preferance is the 44 1/2 with the Hi Wall a close second,the Borchardt's a PITA to load ,breech seating,I always dump some powder in the chamber. I now use floral foam wads but they're another story. MIKE


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Ciao998 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Kennewick, WA Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #11 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	Ballard, stevens, 1885, borchardt. Yet I lust after a borchardt more than anything else, but you didn't say it could have zischang dst's. It really doesn't matter IMO unless you're a supreme marksman. John


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7627 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #12 - Feb 17^th, 2015 at 10:53am	Print Post
	Regarding loading the Borchardt. It's not hard, my fingers are as fat as anyones. I DO NOT like wads and I developed a loading method for the 33 Max case w/o them. I charge the case, put the index finger of the left hand, over the case mouth. I then put the thumb of the right hand against the rim. Lower the case onto the top of the breech block, raise the breech block to align with the chamber and push it in. Yes, I've spilled a few (very few) powder charges but, I've also done that with a 32/40. I can load and shoot as fast as any single case loader with that method, too. The only time I spill, is when it slips and I drop the case on top of the BB. A Miller case would be more challanging but, most use wads in them anyway. Frank

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1821 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #13 - Feb 17^th, 2015 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	I have two actions sitting here that I was hoping that I could get some feedback on how to finish them. That's why I asked about best actions for Schuetzen rifles. What I really need to do is go through a 12 step program so I can admit that I am an addict and really don't need any more rifles. But living in MN leaves a lot of down time in the winter. I have a Borchardt action that I polished last winter and have been wanting to send to BRC and let Rafter and Co barrel it up in 32-40. But a feller on this forum said that it would be a waste of a good Borchardt action. Meaning it should be used for a larger caliber. Kind of makes sense. I finally found my favorite highwall action. An octagon thin wall. This winter, I fit it with Helm triggers, have it rough polished and am stocking it with my last beautiful piece of walnut that I've been holding on to. So, I need two barrels and two calibers so I can move on. I have most LR calibers covered already with rifles I have built. What do you guys think?
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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7727 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: If You Could Choose?? Reply #14 - Feb 17^th, 2015 at 1:21pm	Print Post
	I would go for a CPA 44 1/2 simply because they work & parts and service are available with reasonable turn times. Been through the Ballard and Low Wall phases never saw any advantage shooting that justified long delays while the gun was out for gunsmith work. Of course this is not a factor if you can work on it yourself. For offhand 200 yard target work probably the only suitable actions are High/Low Walls 44 1/2's and Ballads. Others give too much weight to the action, slow lock times or have triggers that are not up to snuff. Also a few exceptions to my 3 action list that are not easy to obtain. If you have one then it's the one to use. Something that you can obtain in a reasonable time and will keep you shooting is more important than the difference one action to the other. Boats


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