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Reply #45 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 4:39pm
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Frank, It popped right up.  It didn't show in any of my searches because they were worded to find Rs accused of causing external damage and injuries. 

Looks like that was a short relatively easy fix.  The R I cited above in Hawaii was closed for over a year after the initial schedule was for a few months.  That was voluntary, not forced through litigation, ect.   It would be interesting to see if they  stopped the open field T setting and contain all the Bs directly behind the T. 

A R in NY lost a B over a 30' wall hitting a lady 200 yds away.  There were discussions for a while, then the land owner abruptly pulled their lease and they have to remove their buildings, clean up the site and get out  Cry  They just spent $40,000 on improvement last year!  Cry Cry The speculation was misuse of a metal target.  Looking on Goggle Earth close up, it looked like they had fac e climb ing issues, IMO.  Of course, we are a standards and credentials based society rather than performance based.  The gold standard is 20 foot high barrier.  Too bad the 30 foot high failed Cry Cry I doubt if 200 feet would have prevented this incident.  

Anyway, I would love to have some idea of how to get our N are A to tighten up their standards and quietly get this issue out to the clubs before the antis discover how easily they could capitalize on it. Given what they did here in WA with the B-ground check initiative, a S initiative designed to close most Rs would be a slam dunk!  Cry  We have protection from nuisance and noise in state law, but S is a the Achilles heel that can easily be exploited for less than noble purposes  Undecided Cry
  

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Reply #46 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 4:51pm
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This is the same R that lost $1 million suit for hitting a guy in the back.  Lots of trouble down there,  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

This is a good example of the preponderance of the evidence.
  

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Reply #47 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:11am
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Here is an example of what scares me about N are A standards.  They claimed this guy met the standard according to a certified instructor.  Notice he has a pile of tires on the lawn for a back stop and side berm!  How can we survive this level ignorance?

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If you zoom out, you will see the new homes on Wildwood Drive .5 to 1 mile down R.   They don’t like finding Bs in that area on the roads ;-( 

Click on the top link for the TV station.  The first footage shows the tires on the R. This is insane.  We need to remodel the N are A if they are to be the gold standard. 

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Here are some more links.  This story has been ongoing for several years.  

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Reply #48 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 7:58am
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I still say that the people using things incorrectly are a bigger problem than poor design.

During a match at my local club one of the members ignored the cease fire and continued to shoot. I was running the match that day and I told him to pack up and hit the road....Most agreed but there were a few that said I was to strict.  The guy was told TWICE!! Two strikes and you are out.

  
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Reply #49 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 11:10am
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More power to you. Maybe he learned something.
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Reply #50 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 3:21pm
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I still say that the people using things incorrectly are a bigger problem than poor design.



Containing the Bs in vertical back stops or traps immediately behind the targets would solve the problems. 

Here is the T-stone R at Marion, IL.  Authorities believe some men firing  2-2-3s were the source of  the B that hit  a woman in the cheek and went out her chin on Feb. 19, 2014.  Shooting into these flat, soft surfaces should, according to the R studies, send at least 50% of the Bs into the surrounding community. Thankfully the  N are A standards have not been mentioned in association with this operation.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
 
The Goggle Earth close-up is too old to show the R, but the R is said to be .5 miles east of the injury site.  
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That distance is consistent with the other incidents.  I find it interesting there are no reports of strays, damage or injury out at 2 to 3.5 miles which should be the impact areas for anything directly shot off site.  The preponderance of the evidence seems to indicate misuse and abuse of the sites by improper impacts or insufficient back stops is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. 

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It took less than a year for this poorly designed range to be suspected in a tragic incident.  They opened on Memorial Day weekend, 2013.

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Reply #51 - Mar 6th, 2015 at 2:24pm
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I am concluding keeping the outdoor ranges of this country open in the face of undeniable evidence of escapes is a noble cause, but a lost cause.   Cry  One would think that concentrations of bullets in the vicinity of ranges would be sufficient to convince operators and officers of clubs to use sufficient backstops for containment and R prevention.  Even with careless shooting by the general public, bullets do not normally concentrate away from recreational areas.  

Anyway, this thread just showed up on a Goggle search. It is probably best for the moderators to delete it before the antis get any ideas from it.
  

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