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Bullet for a 32-40
Feb 2nd, 2015 at 6:32pm
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I have a  Rifle chambered in 32-40 with a barrel that is .315 on the lands and .319 in the grooves with a 16 twist. I want to breech seat and am looking for guidance as to bullet size and weight.
  
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Re: Bullet for a 32-40
Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:42pm
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There are likely a number of people on this forum who would happily offer suggestions to help you get started with your 32-40. A few additional bits of info would ensure that advice given is apropos to your needs. It would go a long way to getting useful advice if you provide action type and what type of shooting you plan to pursue as well as if you are a black powder or smokeless powder shooter.
As an example, if your rifle has a Stevens 44 action, loads would have to be tamed-down and perhaps you would use a lighter bullet to keep it stable at lower chamber pressures required by that rifle. Now if you have a stronger action, you then would be able to drive a heavier bullet faster and keep it stable from your 1:16 barrel.
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Re: Bullet for a 32-40
Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:52pm
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I have a Ballard like that. About the only thing you can do is look for a (older Ideal/Lyman) 319247 mold. It's suppose to cast .320. Ebay is your friend for this.

You can also have a custom made by:

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Have it made .320 dia. x 1.03 +/- .03 long.

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Good advice RSW. I didn't think of it being a 44
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 11:24pm
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Length / Weight is also dependant on bullet design. A spitzer bullet will weigh less than a flat nose bullet of equal length. To say a bullet of X length is correct for a particular use may not hold true if the bullets design is not also taken into consideration.
  

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Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 12:16am
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I intentionally gave no weight for my suggestion. Any nose design from a traditional round nose to a spitzer will stabilize in that length range at ~1400 fps in a 16 twist. 

A 1.10 long Ron Long spitzer will stabilize in a 16 twist Douglas barrel, as will a Ron Long 1.03, short ogive bullet, both at ~190 gr.

The 1.10 long spitzer is the maximum length that will reliably stabilize in a Douglas 16 twist barrel as done by actual experiment.

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Reply #5 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 5:51am
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Thanks for the info given thus far. In answer to your questions the action is a hepburn and I intend to shoot smokeless.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 6:47am
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Accurate moulds can make a bullet mould for your application in a few weeks. You could order the band diameters to suit your barrel. I had them make the bullet below with a .321 base band dia for my .319 groove barrel.


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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:00am
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rkaires has suggested what should be a good bullet design for your rifle. You might want to consider modifying the dimensions so the as-cast base band of the bullet is approximately .001" over groove diameter. There is a calculator available online to help determine correct bullet length for your rifle. As a Hepburn is a stronger action, you can drive the bullet up to the velocity limit of a plain base bullet. I'm not recommending higher velocity but your rifle could handle relatively heavy cast bullet loads.
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at the bottom left of navigation bar, click Barrel Twist Calculator. Have fun!
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 4:18pm
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Thanks a lot for of the information you guys have provided.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 5:50pm
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The flat nose bullet shown would be a very good choice. What you do not want to do is start out with a long spitzer bullet that needs to be pushed hard to stabize. It will only lead to frustration from one outing to the next. After using a variety of long spitzer bullets in competition over the last 14 years I am finding no increased wind drift the past two years while now using a cylindrical flat nose bullet with a length of .970 in my 32-40's. I have also noticed an increase in day in and day out overall consistency. 

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Reply #10 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 6:46pm
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If you choose a bullet, such as above. You'll need to make the nose and the two bands after it .316/.317. The .312 - .313 bands will not have any support in the barrel. The .315 band might be ok but, I'd rather have .316 there.

It looks like that bullet was designed for a 1888 Commision Rifle (8x57J)  that has a bore of .311 and a groove of .321.

This is also a conservative, awesome bullet for a 16 twist. Reduce all diameters by .002.

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Reply #11 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 12:17pm
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John it is interesting to hear of your bullet length.  I have not been shooting these rifles for very long, but have been using three bullets of length 1.05" in my 1:14 twist Badger barrel.   Velocities are low as I'm using straight black powder.

With the Saeco 200gr bullet and Fg I get a very small amount of tipping at 200 yards at a range with elevation of ~3000 feet in the summer.   At a lower elevation range with an increased distance of 200m I get tipping with Fg and must switch to FFg.  Now that it's winter, the tipping is back Smiley.

I've switched to a similar bullet that Steve Brooks made for me, but it has a smaller meplat nose, like on the Hoch 200gr semi-spitzer.  Tipping is noticeably less in winter ( but still a little bit is present ) and it shoots almost exactly 1 moa higher than the Saeco bullet. 

I've also played a very little bit with an elliptical paper patched bullet of the same length and it seems pretty stable in cold weather at 200m using only Fg.  With Fg it shoots approximately the same elevation in cold weather as the new Brooks bullet, but it's not a completely fair comparison as it's lighter due to the slender nose.

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Reply #12 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 1:23pm
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Chris going to try a bullet .940 in length weighing 184.4 grains 1-20 Alloy. My hopes are that I can back off the powder a tad and get less rifle movement in the bags with stability being a none issue. I have been down the high BC route, long pointed bullets pushed real hard to stabilize in order to try and beat the wind. I am finding the better approach seems to be in calming things down and simply learning to shoot the conditions handed to you on a day to day basis.
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 3:46pm
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Thank you John.   I'm still working hard on the learning to shoot part.    

I have been thinking of trying a shorter bullet to eliminate tipping year round so that I can remove that variable.

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Reply #14 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 4:38pm
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Chris I totally agree with your thought process, the less varibles you have the greater the success you will encounter.
  

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