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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	4227 question Jan 31^st, 2015 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	I see loading data for 4227, H4227, and IMR4227. Same, different, or what? Interchangeable or not? Pardon my confusion. 4227 is used for many cartridges that I have like all the .25's, .32-20, .32Ideal, and others. I am thinking H4227 is what I want but would like to be sure.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 4227 question Reply #1 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	H4227 is no more so your selection is made easier as the only out there is IMR4227.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7611 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 4227 question Reply #2 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 4:30pm	Print Post
	A couple of things here and I'm sure that it won't make the 4227 any clearer! Hodgdon discontinued labeling H4227 as that and started selling H4227 in IMR 4227 plastic cans. I know it doesn't make since but, that is what they started doing over a year ago. It's been varified by Hodgdon. The way to tell what you may have, is to look on the label and if it says made in Canada, it's IMR 4227. If it says made in Australia it's H4227 Made by ADI. I have two cans of it. Now, the other thing is, I've heard that there is a new stock of plastic jug, 4227 that says Made in Canada so, maybe they are bring the "real" stuff back. Very confusing and not very good PR for Hodgdon.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 4227 question Reply #3 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 7:36pm	Print Post
	Being that Hodgdon has taken over the marketing of IMR Powders I fail to see how they could have legally put their product in IMR Containers. It would be like making your own chocolate bars and wrapping them in Hershey Chocolate wrappers.

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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1112 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: 4227 question Reply #4 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 7:48pm	Print Post
	In answer to the original question, I have used both H4227 and IMR4227 and have seen no or very little difference between them. No more than difference between different lots of the same powder. Regards, Joe


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 4227 question Reply #5 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 7:57pm	Print Post
	I know Hodgdon now owns IMR but going back through some loading manuals the data is not the same but close. One would assume the manufacturing recipes were not identical and to place one product in the others container would not match the manufacturing information the Feds have.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: 4227 question Reply #6 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	So H4227 is no more. Will get IMR4227. Can I use H4227 data?


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 4227 question Reply #7 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	Why wouldn't you choose to use the IMR Data thats available?

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: 4227 question Reply #8 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 9:56pm	Print Post
	I would love to but I doubt that they have data for .25-20 SS, .25-21 Stevens, .25-25 Stevens, .32 Idea, .32-40, .32-20 etc. They might have .32-20 though. So is it interchangeable or not?? Yes or no?


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 4227 question Reply #9 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:55pm	Print Post
	If it were me I would simply call or e-mail Hodgdon to obtain a reliable answer to your question. I have no expertise in that field only an unsubstantiated opinion.

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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: 4227 question Reply #10 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:17am	Print Post
	The IMR 4227 powder I have says...made in Canada,Packaged in U.S.A. Terry

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win 32-40 Ex Member	Re: 4227 question Reply #11 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 10:54am	Print Post
	I have used 4227 in both forms for 35 years. and really like it. For all my purposes they were Identical, and used the same loads issued in the manuals . What has really changed is the amount of powder in recent manuals. Old recipies recommended in the Lyman 45 & 46 are now much reduced. I am curious as to why. I think it is mostly a liability issue in case it could be used in weak hand guns, or bad condition Win 73's. It also may have to do with chamber ringing rumors ? Now the companys have merged (IMR and Hodgens) I am getting Canadian IMR 4227 and use the heavier charge data from the 60's in my guns including Uberti 73 because the bigger charges are more accurate in my guns especially at 300 meters. It has been "on sale" at a large distributor in Canada for a little over US $100 for an 8 LB. (very cheap for Canadian prices )I wondered what could be wrong with it ? but have found it excellent as always I have been using this and it works great for me as ever. Caliber where 4227 cant be beat for me include 218 bee 25-20 32-20 32-40 44-40 , In 32 spcl 40-82 45-70 i get results about equal to H4198 , another good powder


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: 4227 question Reply #12 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 7:24pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the input. Went to two local gunshows today, one in St. Charles Mo and one in Highland Ill and no one selling reloading supplies at either. More coming up so I should find some soon.


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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 418 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: 4227 question Reply #13 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	I talked to the reloading department at Alliant about reloader 7 they now produce. He told me the recommended loads in some applications are now lower than the old books because they retested the new powder and pressure was more than the older books reported because of better testing procedures so they revised loads downwards. Could be the same is true for 4227?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17947 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 4227 question Reply #14 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 10:54pm	Print Post
	If you aren't pushing your loads to max pressures, then there's no reason to be concerned with using one 4227 data to load another 4227. Yes, the velocities listed will be a bit different, but it wont be a safety issue, unless you decide to test the limits, which most single shot shooters rarely do.

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