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Re: New Scheibenwaffen book.
Jan 29th, 2015 at 6:09pm
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Joe,
Where do you get such a book?

I can't read German but, I'd love to look at the pictures.

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Re: New Scheibenwaffen book.
Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 2:46am
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Its a new book, came on market in mid of December.

Thousands of pictures of hundreds of old German target rifles and pistoles with all technical data and descriptions and a lot of patent drawings. And the history of a lot of gunsmiths, gunmakers and inventors of the old days.

A heavy huge book,  just available via the author Josef Albl from Bavaria.

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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 5:23am
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Is there any information on the 9,5x47R cartridge in the book??
Loading data, powder, bullets?
Results from the time, and so on?
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 5:37am
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The book gives a lot of information about the rifles and the gunmakers.

But it is not a book for practical loading hints. More a history book. But a lot of 9,5x47R rifles are shown.

And I do not have an overview yet, the book is very thick, needs a lot of time to read it all.

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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 6:04am
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The 8,15x46R is a documented proven accurate cartridge, though I have seen little information from the time about performance of the 9,5x47R.
I like to read old documents of the rsults from the time.  Smiley
  
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Re: New Scheibenwaffen book.
Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 6:29am
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@Swede

In the old days, there was no caliber limit for a regular match in Germany. 
Looking in an old result list, one cannot say if the shooter shot a 8.15 or a 9.5 rifle.
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I have a lot of result lists from the 1840s to the 1930s.
But one needs also the complete schedule with all the rules of a match to figure out which calibers were used back then.

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Re: New Scheibenwaffen book.
Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 6:58am
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Thanks for your reply´s Biggi!
Do you know anybody shooting with the 9,5x47R today with any sucsess?
What do they use?
I have a Imman Meffert with Mauser m/71 type action, the rifle is like new.
The barrel twist is very slow 1-26" and will shoot bullets of maximum 220gn.
My groups have not been as good as I was hoping for.

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Re: New Scheibenwaffen book.
Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 7:39am
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Shooting a 9.5 rifle with success? 
If 50 rings out of 50 is succesful, I shoot it with success...  Grin

I do not have an own 9.5 rifle, but sometimes I use one of a friend.
We just shoot on 50 meters, but sometimes I get my 49 or 50 rings.

Its a "Stahl" rifle, very good one.
We shot it already on 130 meters, also with success.

But don't ask me for the loading data, I don't have a clue. 
I just shoot it!
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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 8:32am
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I suspect that evolution of the 9.5 and the 8.15 were very much parallel to the way the .38-55 and the .32-40 evolved on this side of the Atlantic. And for pretty much the same reasons, less recoil and the evolutionary transition to smokeless powders; perhaps the transition to matches with longer courses of fire where recoil began to be a factor. 
   I recently traded a nice unmarked martini stalker that had real strong Swiss characteristics in the 9.5x47r with a custom mold from Accurate Molds with it that was based of drawings form an original German Bullet supply house catalogue.   
   If you do a search of the site archives over the past several years using 9.5x47r as your search term you should find a number of threads discussing the loading and shooting of the cartridge.
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 8:59am
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I have the Alte Scheibenwaffen series of three books on schuetzen rifles by Tom Rowe. All the pictures are there and it is in english!
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Reply #10 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 9:11am
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Yes Fred, there are the very nice American target rifle books. 
With a lot of pictures of rifles and also a lot of pictures of the goblets and medals and beer steins and history and and and...

I love all three books.

But this book is more for a shooter who is interested in the technique of the action/system of a rifle.
And the book shows and explains more than 200 different actions which were built back then.
Most of the rifles have also added the history of the maker / gunsmith.

Its another target group for this book, one cannot compare the content with the nice American books of Tom & Co.

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Re: New Scheibenwaffen book.
Reply #11 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 9:59am
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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Jan 30th, 2015 at 8:32am:
I suspect that evolution of the 9.5 and the 8.15 were very much parallel to the way the .38-55 and the .32-40 evolved on this side of the Atlantic. And for pretty much the same reasons, less recoil and the evolutionary transition to smokeless powders; perhaps the transition to matches with longer courses of fire where recoil began to be a factor. 
   I recently traded a nice unmarked martini stalker that had real strong Swiss characteristics in the 9.5x47r with a custom mold from Accurate Molds with it that was based of drawings form an original German Bullet supply house catalogue.  
   If you do a search of the site archives over the past several years using 9.5x47r as your search term you should find a number of threads discussing the loading and shooting of the cartridge.


I agree, smaller caliber was the natural development or evolution here in Europe like in the US.

I have seen the thread about the bullets, and the old catalogue, it's very nice!  Smiley

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Reply #12 - Feb 6th, 2015 at 3:32am
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Hi, I have been shooting a Martini action schutzen rifle in 9.5X47R for three years or so. Brass is made from 45-70  though one can find actual 9.5X47R from Bertram, very pricey. The twist on my barrel is 34" groove 9.85 .388 I have  a couple of molds I designed made by Mountain Molds with bullets from 180 to 205 grains with a slow twist I try to keep the bullets short  .389 diameter. 
I use N110 powder 14 grains is sort of the norm here in Europe for this caliber but I prefer a bit more I use 16 grains. Typically accuracy is very good at my usual distance 100 meters 110 yards.
  
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