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Jan 28th, 2015 at 8:22pm
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Attached are photos of the last two 5-shot groups of the day and the benchrest setup.  The barrel is one of Al Story's in 38-55.  I've been playing with breech seating depth and powder charge.  It looks like I'm getting close but need to try it at 200 yds since all my shooting lately has been on a 90 yd range.  I can walk to the 90 yd range but have to drive 30 miles to the 200.  Things to keep in mind are that the bullets were wheel weights, I haven't tried other alloys yet, the bench set up isn't to sophisticated, and I'm not all that good a shot anyway.  The bullet is a 260 grain bore ride from Accurate tapered for breech seating and the powder was ancient H4227, 16.8 grains. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

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Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 8:50pm
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John very impressive, I wouldn't move to 200 until you shoot a few more groups like that to verify the same consistency. I have witnessed several single 3 shot and 5 shot groups such as yours but they were not repeatable and moving to 200 is really a premature move.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 8:56pm
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JLouis wrote on Jan 28th, 2015 at 8:50pm:
John very impressive, I wouldn't move to 200 until you shoot a few more groups like that to verify the same consistency. I have witnessed several single 3 shot and 5 shot groups such as yours but they were not repeatable and moving to 200 is really a premature move.

I agree.  I've had by bubble busted before but it was a good way to end the day.

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Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 9:45pm
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If at the end of the day you have discovered yet one more varible to eliminate you are on your way to success and you had mentioned a few probables.
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 10:27pm
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JS,
Your off to a very good start. I look forward to seeing how well it will do when you get out to 200yd.

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Reply #5 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 11:50pm
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Thanks for all the good advise.  I'd like to come down that way and shoot with some of you one of these days.  Hopefully I'll get to do it before I get to the point that I forgot what it was I came down there to do. Huh

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Reply #6 - Jan 29th, 2015 at 11:29am
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What rifle action is that?

Groups look good!
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2015 at 12:10pm
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I like to keep testing powder charges and seating depths until I get single hole clusters of 1/2 MOA with cast bullets or 1/4 MOA for jacketed bullets.

Looks like your fine tuning is getting you there.

Just need to verify out to 200 yards and need to verify if you need to add/subtract 0.1 grains for changes in temperature etc. 
Environmental change may need to be adjusted with fine tuning of your powder or slight changes to the depth seater. 
Of course the statistics guys like to see many small groups shot to verify the actual group size.

Make sure you record the length of your depth seater now (baseline) in case you need to adjust it further in the summer.

Wheel weights have antimony and I found I would always get leading in my barrel by thirty shots if I used alloys with antimony. Also wheel weights are too hard an alloy for a hunting bullet and do not expand as well as lead:tin alloys.

So are you going to shoot many shots (target shooting) or are you using it for hunting? I prefer 20:1 lead:tin alloy for target shooting and may reduce the tin a bit to 25:1 or 30:1 for hunting bullets.

Try shooting a 100 shots on a hot dry day and see what the wheel weight (antimony) bullets do for leading of your barrel. A good alloy with a good lube will not lead in 100 shots even under extreme shooting conditions.

Keep on having fun.
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Reply #8 - Jan 29th, 2015 at 9:42pm
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Stockerman,
If its not too much trouble, I'd be curious to know the bore/groove measurements along with the twist rate and number of grooves.
Looks to be a very promising load and high quality barrel.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 1:51pm
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Ken,
Thanks for the information.  Still curious as to number of lands/grooves Al has found works the best on average.  Without question Al knows what he is doing based on the groups you and Stockerman have provided. 
My next trip out to Ben Avery I'll holler at you and stop by Silver City on my way.

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Reply #10 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 9:21pm
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RoyB wrote on Jan 29th, 2015 at 11:29am:
What rifle action is that?

Groups look good!

To answer several questions:

It's a CPA with a #49 stock.  I don't intend to hunt with it.  At 12 1/4 lbs it's more than I want to pack around.  I have a .465 (just a 45-70 with the larger bore and groove) on a Rolling Block for hunting. I shoot 1-40 PPs with it.  I've been shooting wheel weights in the 38-55 because I have several hundred lbs but not much lead/tin.  I'll work with different alloys after I see what I can get from the WW's. Also, the bore is slightly over .370, maybe .3701 or 02.  A .370 pilot on the chamber reamer just fit

Again, I want to thank everyone for the good advise and encouragement.  I just hope those two groups I posted weren't flukes.  I don't think they were as I've been creeping up on it slowly but, I'd hate to have to do some back tracking! 

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Reply #11 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 12:47am
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Ken,
Thanks for the specifics on the BRC barrels. I'm just getting serious about working up loads in a Cody Ballard with a Douglas stainless 8 land/groove barrel that specs at .367-.375 and has a 1:12 twist. I'm liking the .38 for the reduced recoil vs. my 45-70.
Thinking about a .35-40 or a .40-60 Maynard also so I'll keep you and Al in mind and see you my next trip out west.
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Ken,
What twist have you found works best for you in the 40-65? 
I'm hearing good results from some people shooting 40-50 SS.  The 45-70 is beginning to give my neck some problems so I'm looking hard at the smaller calibers.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2015 at 11:34pm
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Ken,
I'm coming to see you as soon as I can justify a trip west. Nice groups, it looks like you and Al have done your homework.
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Reply #14 - Feb 17th, 2015 at 8:06pm
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Well don't keep us biting our nails Please post a pic or the ten shot group!
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