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Re: Stevens 44 barrel markings
Reply #15 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 6:21pm
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Look closely is it am X or a maltese cross? I know it looks like an x in a box. I find it on my late as well as early Stevens rifles.
It is the take up for the roll die that has the name on it if you look at Hi-Walls or Colts its a line before the markings. Helps the die last longer without breaking the letters.
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 30th, 2015 at 8:55pm
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Given that this feature is clearly scattered thither and yon over the period from 1896 to WW1, it doesn't seem to me that it's of any great import as far as dating is concerned.   

Seems that they may have had two batches of dies  made, and used them more or less at random.

Knowing the useful life of a rollstamp die would be interesting.
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 1:45pm
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Uscra112,
For What It Is Worth:
J. Stevens A. & T. Co with '4 lobe Cross' at 'J' end and '3 lobe Cross at 'Co' end Sn 3582(8) and #2, a 24" long 25 RF barrel.
J. Stevens A. & T. CO. with 3-1/2 lobe Cross at 'J' end and 2-1/2 lobe Cross at 'CO.' end Sn40 858 and #2, a 28" long 22 LR barrel.
J. Steven with 4 lobe Cross deeply imprinted in front of 'J' with the remainder of the stamping length missing. "25" for caliber, and Sn 34 067 and #2, a presently 23' long barrel that slugged .257" groove diameter.

Those are the '44' used barrels I have at the moment.

Actions are: sn37249 -44-O; SN6939-44-O; and another currently soaking in Penetrating Oil at my Friends Special Effects Shop to get a set of Stuck Tang Sight plug screws out.

Would the 'Favorite' barrel markings be of use to you?
Best Regards,
Chev. William
ADDED 20150822: Close inspection after further Cleaning discovered a Faintly impressed 8 at the end of serial number., partly eroded away.  Chev. william
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Reply #18 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 2:35pm
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A more detail of the inscription on that barrel s/n 3582 would be of interest.   That's a very low s/n.   Should be side extractor and have the APR 17 94 patent date, but others in that range show a patent date of OCT 29 94.   

Not doing anything with Favorites.  The 44 keeps me busy enough.

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Reply #19 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 10:17pm
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Barrel Sn3582(8) has "PAT.APR17'94" and it is a "6 o'clock Extractor cut.

The third '44' Receiver I have is Sn35822 with  "44" and "O" on the Front face; it is a 'center Extractor type from the Centered 5/16wide clearance cut in the Shelf between the Barrel Spigot hole and the BB Pivot space.  The top of the Receiver has a "Sighting groove cut into it that has a varying "V" cross section depth, deeper at the rear edge.  General Exterior is 'Pitted'  BB Pivot hole  is .297" Lever Pivot Hole is .292", Hammer pivot hole is .225", Trigger pivot hole is .167". all Left side measurements with a Dial Caliper. BB Slot width at top is .600", Hammer slot is .340", Lever slot is 590", Trigger slot is .325"

The Receiver Sn6939 is a "7 o'clock" Extractor type.

The Receiver Sn37249 is a "6 o'clock" Extractor type with a .320" wide centered clearance cut.

I still need to get the Plug screw out of Sn36822 but Penetrating oil soak for two weeks, Heat, and Impact Shock don't seem to get it to break loose; so I guess I will need to get it drilled out.  No, I don't feel practiced enough to drill it myself so I will take it to my gunsmith eventually.

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Chev. William
Correction ot Serial number, see previous post's correction. Chev. William
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Reply #20 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 10:50pm
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Thanks again !

On s/n 6939, what is the diameter of the BB and lever pivot holes?   That will narrow down the range where they went from the .257 screws to the .288 screws.

Central extractor on barrel 6939 is an anomaly.  I have another one logged, a complete rifle in that very early s/n range, then it's back to the side extractor until about s/n 17000.

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Reply #21 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 11:05pm
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Receiver Sn6939 BB Pivot Hole is .266", Lever Pivot hole is .261" Measured with a Dial Caliper.

This receiver is assembled with a Butt stock so I am reluctant to pull the Hammer and Trigger pivots under spring pressure.

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Reply #22 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 12:43am
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William:

Those holes seem big.  Are the screws that big, too?  So far I'm seeing about .257/.258 for the screw diameters.

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Reply #23 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 1:31pm
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The BB Pivot Screw I presently Have in this Receiver is .2545" diameter and the Lever Pivot Screw is .2543" diameter.
I used a Brown & Sharpe No.13 Micrometer (0-1" by .0001").   
Both Screw heads are about .275" diameter using a Dial Caliper. 

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Reply #24 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 9:48pm
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Today the Mails brought me my CPA Reproduction Stevens '44' single screw Forearm in Grade 3 Wood to go with the Paul Shuttleworth 'bench rest' butt stock I previously won  at auction on Ebay.  The Two  stock parts are intended for my receiver sn37249 and a Barrel to be determined, possibly a .22LR initially (sn40858) unless a better candidate comes along.

This machine finished forearm already has visible Figure that looks like it will turn out Beautiful after a little sanding to remove a small rough spot my fingers found behind the 'Schnabel' tip.  It fits the Barrel closely as is.

There is another set of choices to make: Do I want to install a Detachable Swivel Stud in it?  If I do, where should I position it?
I have a M1A stock with a stud in it to take a Removable "Biped" rest. 

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Reply #25 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:30am
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I don't think I will be installing a Swivel Stud in my new forearm Stock as my thinking is that it just would not look right, even if used instead of the normal forearm attach Screw.  Also figuring where else it could be placed and not interfere with gripping either in carry or in shooting, has not yielded a good placement.

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Reply #26 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 5:37pm
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Yesterday I received a Model 44 used barrel marked "25 RF" on the Left upper flat  and "J. Stevens A. & T. Co., Chicopee Falls,Mass.U.S.A.Pat.Apr.17,94" on the Top flat of the Half Octagon/Half Round Barrel with NO Cross Marks.  The Bottom flat has a "2" stamped in it and "18975" stamped in the round section just forward of the Octagon section.

The Bore Measures .294" using a dial Caliper; the Chamber measures .305" and the Rim Rebate measures .365" with the same Dial Caliper.  The chamber has a rounded 'ledge' at .880" from the Breech Face.  Rifling appears to have six equal width lands and grooves, which is not like the Stevens Rifling I have seen in the past.  There is a small shallow blind hole about 1/4" forward of the Tenon on the bottom flat, off center, of about .084" diameter.  Rifling condition is presently 'dirty bore' but looks complete from Breech end to muzzle, save the chamber area, which looks to be without pits nor Rings.

I will need to 'Slug' this one but it seems it has been modified from the Marked Cartridge at some date in the past. 

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Re: Stevens 44 barrel markings
Reply #27 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 7:51pm
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Chev. William wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
Yesterday I received a Model 44 used barrel marked "25 RF" on the Left upper flat  and "J. Stevens A. & T. Co., Chicopee Falls,Mass.U.S.A.Pat.Apr.17,94" on the Top flat of the Half Octagon/Half Round Barrel with NO Cross Marks.  The Bottom flat has a "2" stamped in it and "18975" stamped in the round section just forward of the Octagon section.

The Bore Measures .294" using a dial Caliper; the Chamber measures .305" and the Rim Rebate measures .365" with the same Dial Caliper.  The chamber has a rounded 'ledge' at .880" from the Breech Face.  Rifling appears to have six equal width lands and grooves, which is not like the Stevens Rifling I have seen in the past.  There is a small shallow blind hole about 1/4" forward of the Tenon on the bottom flat, off center, of about .084" diameter.  Rifling condition is presently 'dirty bore' but looks complete from Breech end to muzzle, save the chamber area, which looks to be without pits nor Rings.

I will need to 'Slug' this one but it seems it has been modified from the Marked Cartridge at some date in the past. 

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Another Stevens '44' Barrel came to me this last week.
It is marked as above but is apparently of .25 Steven (Long) purpose.  The bore/Groove measurement still need to be determined by slug measurement but the chamber is cut to fit a .25 Stevens (Long) case with Clearance at 1.165" deep by .780" diameter at the Breech end.  The Rim Rebate seems to measure .353" diameter.  It is a "2" contour and the serial number marked is "22505".  

A third '44' barrel, also marked as Stated before and slugged as .246" bore/.250" groove diameters is also chambered for the .25 Stevens (Long) cartridge but not quite as deep; 1.153".
It is marked "2" contour and the Serial number appears to be "3582 (something); which may be a very light strike '8' but not really enough visible to be sure.

"Uncra112" might add this to his listings.

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Chev. William
It is confirmed Sn is "35828" with the Last 8 lightly struck and badly Eroded.  Chev. William
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Re: Stevens 44 barrel markings
Reply #28 - Aug 22nd, 2015 at 10:14pm
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Chev. William wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
Yesterday I received a Model 44 used barrel marked "25 RF" on the Left upper flat  and "J. Stevens A. & T. Co., Chicopee Falls,Mass.U.S.A.Pat.Apr.17,94" on the Top flat of the Half Octagon/Half Round Barrel with NO Cross Marks.  The Bottom flat has a "2" stamped in it and "18975" stamped in the round section just forward of the Octagon section.

The Bore Measures .294" using a dial Caliper; the Chamber measures .305" and the Rim Rebate measures .365" with the same Dial Caliper.  The chamber has a rounded 'ledge' at .880" from the Breech Face.  Rifling appears to have six equal width lands and grooves, which is not like the Stevens Rifling I have seen in the past.  There is a small shallow blind hole about 1/4" forward of the Tenon on the bottom flat, off center, of about .084" diameter.  Rifling condition is presently 'dirty bore' but looks complete from Breech end to muzzle, save the chamber area, which looks to be without pits nor Rings.

I will need to 'Slug' this one but it seems it has been modified from the Marked Cartridge at some date in the past. 

Best Regards,
Chev. william



Had Barrel s/n 18975 cleaned, slugged, and Chamber Cast by my gunsmith and today got it back with results:
Bore slugs at .290" Grooves slug at .3046".
Chamber seems to be a .32 Short RF size as a .32 Long Rf case will not go flush with the Breech face end.  Chamber depth seems to be about .830" by dial Caliper.
Interestingly, the chamber Casting includes the Throat and the impression is 5 narrow High zones with 5 wider low zones.

This sounds like a REBORE to me as the Barrel is originally Marked "25 R.F.".

The Extractor Cut is .264" wide by .181" deep Centered at '6 o'clock' on the Breech end.

Now to decide whether to leave it as is (apparently .32 Short RF/Colt) or have it reamed for either .32 Long Rf/Colt, or even .32 Extra Long RF sizes but sue it in a CF Converted Receiver?

Any Suggestions?

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Chev. William
  
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