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John Boy Ex Member	Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Jan 20^th, 2015 at 12:14am	Print Post
	Possible help ... * This is the cavity of the 25-20 R loading tool that I want to lap or have repaired in an Ideal #1 Reloading Tool (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) * The 25-20 R bullet is an adjustable weight of the Ideal 25720 mold. * The cast of the bullet in the tool with pure linotype weighs 81.4gr and is a 5 grease groove bullet. This equates possibly to the adjustable weight of 77gr or 86gr for the 25720 mold * Option 1 - If any member has the 25720 bullet with 5 GG's and would send me a few hardcast ones to use for lapping, I would be appreciative * Option 2 - Source of a mold maker that could repair this cavity Thanks for Looking


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #1 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	Just my opinion, but I think you would be better off getting another mold. There appears to be metal missing and lapping won't bring that back. A good mechanic could bush the mold with brass dovetails (ALA Schoyen) but you would end up with more money in it then you would if you just bought a new mold. Another possibility is buying another .25-20 Rep. Ideal #1 and then sell this one.


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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1021 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #2 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	I agree with Quarterbore, get another mould, Superman himself couldn't bring this one back. Ledball


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #3 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	Your right gents ... you get what you paid for it - 20 bucks


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #4 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 3:10am	Print Post
	John Boy, That mould looks like me, we've both seen better days, and that was a long time ago. I'm still trying to work out just how that mould is adjustable? Maybe the other block holds the secret. Harry


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1574 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #5 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	I have one of the integral handled Ideal moulds with that 25720 cavity in it, and it is about as trashed as yours is. I size and lube the output in a 6.5 mm sizing die and then resize it in a 0.259" die. It might not win a Quarter Bore match, but it shoots pretty well; as well as the run of the mine from other moulds of the same approximate size. We should definitely not go overboard romanticizing the past. Apparently, there were a lot of surviving Neanderthals in the 19th and early 20th centuries who thought bullet moulds could be used as pliers, nail pullers and pinch clamps. You are "lucky" that whoever owned the tool back in the day didn't drill the cavity out, just to see if he could do it, or saw the mould blocks off to make a faux #3 tool.


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1112 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #6 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:54pm	Print Post
	John Boy I believe if I had that mould, I'd try facing the block halves a few thou and then try lapping with a hard cast bullet - just to see what happened! Regards, Joe


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3982 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #7 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	jfeldman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:54pm: John Boy I believe if I had that mould, I'd try facing the block halves a few thou and then try lapping with a hard cast bullet - just to see what happened! Regards, Joe Why not? In it's condition you have very little to loose!

	Cat Whisperer (trk) Chief of Smoke Pulaski Coehorn Works and Skunk Works Drafted May 1970, Retired Maj. U.S.Army assra #9885
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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #8 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:34pm	Print Post
	Remember that these are the early blocks built in as part of the tool, and not the later removable blocks held to the handles with screws that allow the mould halves rotate a little to let the block faces close square. If you take too much off each face, without allowing a touch of taper, they'll end up like a pair of tongs that contact at the outer tips of the jaws but leave a gap in toward the hinge. That said, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

	There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Proud Noodlehead
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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Buggered 25-20 R Cavity - Ideal #1 Reloading Tool Reply #9 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:20pm	Print Post
	John Boy If what ever you do doesn't work out, I have a tool in similar condition that I'd be happy to sell you for $20. JS


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