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harry_eales Ex Member	A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:11am	Print Post
	See:- (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Bear in mind that this rifle was a modern made bolt action rifle, likely to be far stronger then the falling block rifles we like to shoot. A bad error, yes, but at least the guy had the courage to come clean and admit his error. He certainly won't make that mistake again. My rule is to have an empty powder measure and only one powder on the loading bench. When you've finished reloading put any remaining powder back into it's can and make sure the powder measure is completely free from all powder including the measuring tube. Harry
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12618 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #1 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:22am	Print Post
	But almost all rifle shooters who shoot lead bullets use pistol powders. Shouldn't the header say something like - what happens when you use the wrong powder in a firearm? Joe.

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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #2 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:02am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:22am: But almost all rifle shooters who shoot lead bullets use pistol powders. Shouldn't the header say something like - what happens when you use the wrong powder in a firearm? Joe. Joe my friend, what happens in the USA does not necessarily happen elsewhere in the world. I never owned a rifle other than a .22 that I didn't use Black Powder in. I did on rare occasions use a duplex load in shotgun rounds, but only because I wanted to see if I had hit the game I had been shooting at. I did use nitro powders in my .45 Colt auto's and in my .44 Auto Mag but only because they wouldn't operate with BP loads. I've never heard of anyone using nitro powders in LR (Creedmoor) shooting, especially with 1870's vintage rifles. In fact the rules don't permit it. Harry
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12618 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #3 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:08am	Print Post
	Funny place to be exluding America, Harry Joe.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12618 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #4 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:10am	Print Post
	They use pistol powders in rifles in Germany. Why wouldn't it work all over the world? Joe.

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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #5 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:18am	Print Post
	Joe, I wasn't excluding America, I accidentally hit the post button before I had finished writing so I had to add to what I was writing. I assume you are in the main, referring to lightly loaded Schuetzen rounds when you mention smokeless pistol powder? I certainly wouldn't want to use it in a .577 3" BP Express rifle. Harry


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12618 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #6 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:21am	Print Post
	The header above that article is misleading. It's not that simple. The man screwed up, not the powder or the company who made the powder. Joe.

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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #7 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:26am	Print Post
	Joe, I agree with you, I was simply pointing out how easy it is to make such an error. Harry


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12618 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #8 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:32am	Print Post
	Read recent posts here advocating reduced loads of slow burning rifle powders for reduced lead bullet loads. Bugs me when I read the posts. Joe

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18351 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #9 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:23am	Print Post
	Like the Tite Group label says, "A little goes a long way!" I've made the mistake once of leaving a couple inches deep powder in my powder measure, and when I came back weeks later I looked at it, and wasn't sure what I had used. I looked at my scale, and guessed from where it was set that I had been using Unique, but I finally just dumped the powder, rather than take a chance. Since then I take a piece of blue masking tape and stick it on the hopper with the name on it. Just in case I forget to empty it, I'll know when I return to reload again.

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win 32-40 Ex Member	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #10 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:39am	Print Post
	The best way to do a visual capacity check after charging with powder ,is have one of those flashlite headlamps on your forehead and move your head to look into each cartridge, knowing what capacity level the initial charge was giving you Phil


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7770 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #11 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 12:59pm	Print Post
	Good idea, Phil. I've been wanting one of those things, now I have a additional need for it. What I have to say about this accident is........... the cure to stupidity is PAIN. I have both of those powders and the powders, themself don't look at all a like. You do (I think) have to pour the powder into the hopper of the measure with your eyes open, right? Regarding the injury, the guy just needs to "man up" and take the pain. I did at least that much damage to my thumb by droping the rough edge of a 100 lb steel plate on it, turning into hamburger. It taught me a leason Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #12 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	One needs to read the whole story before making claims of stupidty and the gentleman did man up he made his mistake known for the sake of others. It would have been easier for him to remain silent to avoid persecution !

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7770 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #13 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	John, Stupidity is a relitive term. You can be slightly stupid, just plain stupid or Extremely stupid (or anywhere inbetween the three). What I and a lot of others call stupid is egnoring something, especially something very important. When he poured that powder into the measure, he had to see it and because they look nothing alike, he had to egnore that fact. Saying the labels look similar doesn't over ride the very different look of the powders. If it had been H110, mistaken for H414, it would be more understood. I'm not exempting myself from stupid mistakes, as I stated in my post. Maybe "man up" wasn't the right term but, PAIN, is one of the GREAT teachers Frank

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trapdoor Dick Oldtimer Offline Posts: 557 Location: Newark Joined: Mar 26^th, 2009	Re: A lesson we should all learn, or be reminded of. Reply #14 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	It doesn't indicate all the parameters, but it sounds like it "may" have something to do with what can happen to revolvers with a light squib load. This is where a light .38 special load blows up a .357 magnum. A little powder in a large case. Doesn't matter if a rifle or handgun. If the gun isn't tilted up before firing, the powder may train along the bottom of the case. The result can bring on a detonation, where the primer flame flashes over the powder, igniting it all at once instead of burning. When I was Education Officer with the NMLRA, we even saw a like situation in muzzle loaders. safety my friends. Never assume anything regarding firearms. Dick

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