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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15996 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Another interesting stock/action interface Ballard Reply #15 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 7:09pm	Print Post
	I'm not sure the sight was modified, but the frame looks shortened on both ends. It's possible the sight was altered, or just hangs over the shortened frame a bit. The engraving does look to be lesser quality than the stocks, but I can't tell if it's done with a pointed punch, or not. Most of the Marlin Ballards and Marlin lever action rifles had some punched or stamped engraving on the borders, but not this style. In general, the borders were stamped by apprentices at sometime before or after the master did the main panels. Border work being punched was repetitive, and above most masters. I was talking with a close friend Sunday who is the secretary for the Engravers Guild, and he told me on occasion an advanced apprentice did the entire gun, and the mater took credit for the work when it was sent to the factory or customer. I was having him examine my engraved Ballard, to determine if it was Nimschke, an apprentice, or one of the other engravers Marlin used. If you look at this action, you can see the stamped borders on repetitive designs. The rest is Nimschke engraving. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7245 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Another interesting stock/action interface Ballard Reply #16 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	I think I know why the set trigger is bent like that. I put this rifle pic, next to Marlinguys picture and it looks like when they bent the loop up to the straight frame conture, it closes up on the rear trigger. What do you think? Frank

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15996 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Another interesting stock/action interface Ballard Reply #17 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 11:23am	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:01pm: I think I know why the set trigger is bent like that. I put this rifle pic, next to Marlinguys picture and it looks like when they bent the loop up to the straight frame conture, it closes up on the rear trigger. What do you think? Frank I think the loop lever has definitely been reworked, since the action is a 3 line address, the odds are it was most likely a straight grip action. I'd guess well over 90% of the cast actions were straight grip, with only a handful of #3 PG actions. If you looks closely, you can see the lever has even been relieved behind the rear trigger to allow travel. It shows pretty well in the last picture of the receiver.

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rustyrelx Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 474 Location: Wallace Idaho Joined: Oct 9^th, 2007	Re: Another interesting stock/action interface Ballard Reply #18 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 12:17pm	Print Post
	There are 2 distinct loop levers for pistol grip actions. So called a 3 finger and a 4 finger. The 3 finger is for double set Triggers. the 4 for a single trigger. Of note is the higher grade rifles using a single trigger had the correct 4 finger loop lever. All others had the 3 finger loop lever (almost). Earlier rifles had the correct matching loop lever ( 4 finger)and later rifles had the lever for double set triggers. Still the high quality had the 3 or 4 finger loop lever depending on which model it was. All #7's, all 4 1/2's had 4 finger loop levers. 6 1/2's and 9's had either. Of course the #8 and #10 had the 3 finger loop lever for the double set triggers. I'm thinking Marlin just put the 3 finger loop on and inventoried them just because it was economically reasonable..... Don


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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 803 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: Another interesting stock/action interface Ballard Reply #19 - Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm	Print Post
	LRF, I have seen several Arthur Hubalek straight grip actions that have a steel spacer added to the back of the receiver. The spacer is approx 1/4 - 3/8" thick and flared to mate to a pistol grip stock. I have a very nice old stock set for a pistol grip action that I'd like to have fitted to one of my straight grip actions. I was thinking about a wood spacer, or possibly one like on these Hubaleks.


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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 574 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: Another interesting stock/action interface Ballard Reply #20 - Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 8:00pm	Print Post
	Hi, Sounds interesting, do you have any pictures of the Hubalek?


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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 803 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: Another interesting stock/action interface Ballard Reply #21 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 9:01am	Print Post
	LRF, The Hubaleks belong to Gary Quinlan. The next time I get over to his place I'll take some pics and post.


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