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Lead dippers for bullet casting
Dec 7th, 2014 at 3:46pm
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Once again I draw on the vast knowledge of the ASSRA members with a few questions about a seldom mentioned essential casting tool, The humble dipper. I notice that Lyman's newer dipper has the ability to change the handle to accommodate a lefty. Nice feature!
A look at the one RCBS offers seems like nothing to get excited about. However somewhere I believe I seen a dipper that poured from the bottom of the cup and not like the others. Has anyone seen or used one like that? Would like to hear your thoughts on one of those. 

While casting with the Lyman dipper I use it tends to become encrusted with an alloy deposit. After a casting secession I use a wire wheel and clean it off. Have even covered the surface of it with spray on graphite to see if that was stop it, but Nope! I ask why this happens, and what is it? Is it the tin in my alloy? I cast at 820 F and use a mix of 24L-1T. Sorry about that, but I'm no chemist.  I know pb stands for lead but that's about it! 

The bullets that I cast are 32 cal and smaller so the Lyman dipper holds enough of the molten alloy. Never had to cast large bullets like the ones used in the 45-70 but would imagine that a dipper with a larger capacity would make that task easier. Again I'd like to hear your thoughts and consider your suggestions.

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Re: Lead dippers for bullet casting
Reply #1 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 4:26pm
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Have used the RCBS on everything from 25cal to 45cal and works great. The nipple is on the bottom of the dipper when you turn the mold and dipper up-right to fill the cavity. My only bitch is that metal thingy at the front of wood has come loose and flops around. I've learned to ignore it.

All cast-iron dippers get covered with dross. The way to get it off is take the hot dipper and turn upside-down when in the lead and take the empty dipper out of the pot. Then hit it against something nice and hard and the dross will go flying. I use a coffee-can to catch the dross when I cast. Several raps of the hop dipper on the edge of same cleans it quite well. But, I always leave my dipper in the pot when not casting and that avoids any rust or cleaning issues (outta sight, outta mind Wink).
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 5:52pm
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I believe that little collar that you find a PITA is call a bezel, and a few raps on it with a hammer & center punch may keep it in place. 

I like the dipper method of casting bullets for my SSRs in single cavity molds. I have a bottom pour Lyman Mag 20 that has been used 3 times and there it sets on the shelf. I may just sell it and stop moving it out of the way of things.

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Reply #3 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 6:03pm
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You can tap the accumulated lead off the dipper, as mentioned, or poke the end of a wax candle in the spout every now and then.  If it's really crudded up inside, a piece of wire or a nail can be used.

The pour from the bottom ladle is the Rowell.  I got a couple of the one-pounders (the smallest size they offer) and they work as advertised, pouring clean metal out the spout from the bottom while the lighter dross stays on top in the ladle.  However, they don't have a spigot like the Lyman and RCBS, so if you use one, you have to pour from the side, like using a Lee dipper.

The only successful casting I've been able to do by pouring from the side is round balls for muzzleloaders.  Maybe a muticavity bullet mould with a trough along the sprue holes would work this way, but I find it hard to get decent bullets in the regular type of mould with one of these ladles.  Not to mention the weight, which gets tiresome pretty quickly.  The Rowells have long handles as well, increasing the apparent weight of the end.  I use my Rowells to make ingots from salvaged lead; here they really shine.  One ladleful per ingot, quick and easy, and the dross never goes into the ingot mould.

I would think that pouring bearings or other large scale lead foundry work would be a great place for a Rowell.  But for small scale casting of small bullets, a smaller dipper with a spigot is the way to go.

I use an RCBS for big bullets or multiple cavity moulds and a Lyman for smaller stuff and single cavities.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 8:28pm
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Once the Lyman dipper is hot, you can simply rest the dipper nozzle on a cake of beeswax now and again. The weight of the dipper itself will cause the nozzle to sink slightly into the cake.
Same general idea as pushing the nozzle of your MIG (wire-feed) welder into a jar of dip every so often to keep the spatter from building up.

  

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Reply #5 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 8:37pm
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Guys, Thanks for the info & suggestions. Think I will try an RCBS dipper next. Anyone interested in a near new Mag 20?

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Reply #6 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 11:41pm
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    I keep the dipper clean by putting a little piece of wax in it and fluxing the dipper from time to time. Or just touch the spout to a block of wax.  Rapping it on the lip of the pot or something else will also knock stuff loose.
    My favorite dippers are the older Lyman ones.   I grind/lap the spouts to more nearly a spherical shape by running them with a little valve-grinding compound or other grit against a 1/4" copper tube in the drill press.  Keeps them from leaking around the sprue hole.  Stick them against the tube and "woggle" them around to generate a spherical surface.

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Reply #7 - Dec 8th, 2014 at 7:13am
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Ya know, You can remove all that extemporaneous mechanics from your bottom pour pot, plug the spout with a screw and pretend it never was a bottom pout pot.
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Reply #8 - Dec 8th, 2014 at 8:14am
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Digitall423, I don't believe the economics of that would be to my advantage. Considering the cost of a Lyman Mag 20 bottom pour to the 20 pound Lyman Big Dipper. One is retailing for over $300.00 and the other for under $60.00. As a matter of fact the Mag 20 I bought new in the box would not come to more than 725 F in temp. when turned up all the way. I got a tip for a guy over at Cast Boolits forum how to fix the problem. Seem that the heat control was set for a max there at the factory to protect their butt for whatever we casting dummies may do and want to suite them for liability . It was an easy fix to take off the Loc-tite on the set screw and make an adjustment to allow the temp. control to run up to new 900 F. Using a bottom pour pot I cast pistol bullets in 4 cavity molds for more years that I want to account, but accurate rifle bullets are not made by the slam-bang method used with multi-cavity molds. Yes, I do know some schuetzen shooters who cast with a bottom pour pot, but most do not. I'll stick with casting my rifle bullets with a dipper, one at a time. 

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Reply #9 - Dec 8th, 2014 at 5:38pm
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Reply #10 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 9:17am
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I'm still using the same RCBS dipper I got when I got first casting stuff. I got it used with the pot and I have used it since. Its got to be 30 years old and still works fine.

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Reply #11 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 9:17am
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Checked them out and they are a lot bigger that what I need. Thanks for the info.

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Reply #12 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 9:23am
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Been using a lyman since I started casting almost 4 years ago..works fine for me.

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Reply #13 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 6:02pm
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Lyman handles wear out after 40 or so years.  Smiley
  

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Re: Lead dippers for bullet casting
Reply #14 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 6:56pm
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shovel80 wrote on Dec 9th, 2014 at 9:23am:
Been using a lyman since I started casting almost 4 years ago..works fine for me.

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Try a RCBS dipper and you will never use the Lyman again. I have no idea why they're better, but they are.
  

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