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Reply #30 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 1:11pm
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In May of this year, I got to look through a 100mm Unertl Team Scope. It was very impressive as to how bright it was and would be wonderful to own. I would give it (maybe) a 10% edge on a good 80mm but, for a shooter at the bench, it's just to large.

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At what power setting did you have your scope set at when seeing that 800 yd shot?

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Reply #31 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 2:28pm
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I have used Unertl Teams, years ago. If I recall they ran on a 32 power eyepiece, but had 12 & 24 in the case.

Recent times thought about bidding on them off eBay. Little to to rich for my blood though. Most go between 2 and 3 thousand dollars.

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Reply #32 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 3:23pm
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Frank, I do not remember, but when shooting silhouette I leave it on the lowest power ( 20x ).   When we shot our gong matches I don't remember if I changed the power.  This is in Kamloops B.C. where the air is usually very dry so visibility is excellent.   I've watched bugs walking on the 300m pig targets at 20x.

However, at my Goldbridge range, where I set the target very low, when shooting prone in the hot sun the mirage is often so bad that I cannot see .45 cal holes at 200 yards.   In those cases I have to elevate the scope to four feet off the ground or so in order to reduce the mirage.  

When I shoot at my local range on the coast, I keep the scope on 60x to see holes as the lighting is often poor.   I'll bet this is where the high dollar scopes would really help.

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Re: Spotting Scope
Reply #33 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 4:08pm
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I spot for my partner who has a Sarwovski 20-60X 80 mm. spotting scope.

Bullet clarity is best when set at 20 to 25 power.

Even with high clarity scopes you loose clarity when you go to 60 power. At that power with mirage you will not even see the bullet holes even with a great scope.
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 4:41pm
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You lose clarity with a cheap scope stand too.  You need both, a good scope and a good stand. Wink
  
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Reply #35 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 7:23am
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Birdwatchers like the variables. They zero in on birds low power then crank it up to identify.  I guess hunting variable would be useful same routine. I use Binocular then Spotter. Works for me.

Target range no good reason for losing resolution with variable eyepieces.  Best quality scopes they work OK cheap ones not very good.

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Reply #36 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:48am
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For my use I like the older kowa with fixed 20x. Focus it on the chickens to pick up any mirage at that distance when shooting pigs and still see all hits clearly. I think different ranges have their own sweet spot to watch for mirage changes. If I get started watching the bullet trace , that will cause me to miss seeing a few hits. LB
  
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Reply #37 - Dec 3rd, 2014 at 8:26pm
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The decision just got tougher - got the year-end bonus.

Now I'm looking at something really good with a 80-90mm objective.  (assuming 100mm is a bit more than what I need for 100-200 yd ranges)

If not a Kowa (or Leica), what's next best?

  

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Reply #38 - Dec 3rd, 2014 at 8:43pm
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Variable eyepieces

   With my KOWA, I have a 27X eyepiece, and a 20x60.   There ARE optical compromises in variable eyepieces, but as my eyesight gets worse, I find that I can go to the variable and get a bigger, tho poorer, image to look at and can then see bullet holes that I can't see with the 27X, particularly on black, rather than red, targets.

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Reply #39 - Dec 3rd, 2014 at 9:17pm
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Hmmm.  2 eye pieces sounds functional.  LER?

  

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Reply #40 - Dec 4th, 2014 at 6:38am
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Dec 3rd, 2014 at 8:26pm:

If not a Kowa (or Leica), what's next best?

Get the Celestron Regal or Leupold Kenai. Both have ED or HD glass for less $$ and are at least the same quality.
  

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Reply #41 - Dec 4th, 2014 at 4:57pm
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Be hard to convince me either are the equal of Kowa’s. Fellow left a Leopold Kenai at our match last year. Took it home for safe keeping used it on birds and squirrels around the yard until he picked it up.

Not even close to the old US made fixed power Leopold’s. And Kowa's resolve better than my favorite old Leopold’s.  Personal opinion, no cheap way around a good spotting scope, unless it’s get a good deal on a used one.

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Reply #42 - Dec 4th, 2014 at 8:44pm
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Here are the reviews of the Celestron Regal F 80mm ED s'scope.
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Very pleased with my Celestron.
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Reply #43 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 6:34am
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Those reviews of the Regal are the previous model that has been replaced with the Regal M2, which has a magnesium frame and is lighter. That is one reason I went with the 65mm Regal when I bought mine those many years ago (8 or 9). I wanted the physically smaller size/weight of the 65mm compared to the 80mm (and still do). The second review link covers the base model Celestron Ultima, which I had before the Regal, with its ED/HD glass, was released. The difference between them is like the difference between the basic $900 Kowa with standard glass and the $2400 Kowa Prominar with its fluorite glass, which the person I shoot the most with has (new last season). His 88mm Prominar is a beautiful scope and might be the real deal for bird watching/photography where one is looking for color details at distance. But, for BPCR/BPTR, we agree that it has yet to provide any advantage over the Regal, which has a longer eye-relief.

Boats - can't argue the Leupold as I've not used much. Will argue the Regal vs. Kowa as I look thru both quite often (most every time at the range) and have yet to "see" an advantage with either, other than a significant difference in price. 

  

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Reply #44 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 8:49am
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Boats, I travel and shoot with Glenn(SSShooter) some and when I go with him we use his scope, the 65 mm Celestron Regal. I have an older 77mm Kowa that I use when he is not around. I don't see any real differences when shooting silhouette or mid-range. I feel no handicap whatsoever in using his scope over my Kowa.

Maybe seeing .22 bullet holes in paper at 200 yds will show a difference but I can see them with my 25X Simmons scope that cost $75. I think you should at least consider looking at them. Find someone who owns one and take a look through it and you'll be convinced.
  
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