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Reply #15 - Nov 27th, 2014 at 9:56am
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Joe_S wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 6:01pm:
IN my humble opinion, the Burris Landmark with 80 mm lens is the best buy on the market. Not necessarily the best scope. Can see a .22 hole at 200 yds as well as any. I do not have one only because it is too long to fit into my range box, but I paid double for a scope that is no better in terns of what you can see. 

Go to an optics store where they will let you put a target up with .22 holes in it about 200 yds away and  compare scopes. then decide. I went to Eagle Optics in Middleton and they let me compare scopes side by side with a target I put up in a snow bank. 
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Can't remember what make mine is (I'm on the net using a cafe's wifi), but it picks out clearly .303 holes at 1,000 yards. I bought it secondhand from a camera shop in Norwich (UK) for IIRC, 40 UKP

I happened to mention that a local charity shop had a good 'scope for 90 UKP, and I was offered the above. I could ask them to tell me about any other bargains they might get in if anyone's interested. Shipping from the UK might strip the gilt from the gingerbread though.

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Reply #16 - Nov 27th, 2014 at 10:29am
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I'm thinking of filling the 3/4 pipe with really stiff carbon arrow shafts and then epoxy. Also creatinging larger clamp "pads" for the pipe clamps and having them brazed or welded onto the clamp.
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 27th, 2014 at 4:59pm
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Can't remember what make mine is (I'm on the net using a cafe's wifi), but it picks out clearly .303 holes at 1,000 yards.
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If it will do that it is truly a 'magic' scope as I've not heard/read of any other spotting scope capable of doing so except on an exceptionally rare, clear, crisp, good seeing days. Am sure the high power folks would be buying them by truck load if that were so.
  

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Reply #18 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 8:38am
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Can't remember what make mine is (I'm on the net using a cafe's wifi), but it picks out clearly .303 holes at 1,000 yards.
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If it will do that it is truly a 'magic' scope as I've not heard/read of any other spotting scope capable of doing so except on an exceptionally rare, clear, crisp, good seeing days. Am sure the high power folks would be buying them by truck load if that were so.

I have a crap old Greencat birding 'scope which will do that, given decent eyesight of the viewer - mine's getting a bit iffy after 74+ years' use...

Shake the Greencat and you can feel the movement - lenses OK though. This 'new' one is much heavier and clearer and I only wish I had a good closelong range to use it more often - have to go to the military ranges for shooting at 1,000 yards or more, and I think our local-ish 600 yd one is kaput. (Long and irritating story...)

The furthest I've shot is a mile, Pirbright, I think - but that was long before I had a spotting scope (1950s/60s). Had a competent marker in the butts though.

Apropos de not a lot, I've just heard that a local gunsmith (who used to be an officer of one of the clubs which used the range) has just been raided by the Old Bill - sorry - the cops, and his premises searched. He is (allegedly) facing a whole bundle of firearms charges - and by that, I don't mean ones measured in grains...

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Reply #19 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 9:07am
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Spotting at distance depends on conditions, only way to compare scopes is side by side same day same target. Even same day holes fade in and out air between you and the target. I have seen times that you can identify targets very long distance others difficult even close.

You are looking through a soup bowl of moisture, lit up by changing light, how well the scope resolves depends mostly on the soup. Good Glass makes a difference not nearly as much as good conditions. Favorable light is a major factor too.

Buy what you can afford, is easy to carry, and has the features you need. Personally I never want variable, extreme high power or wide angle. I do like long eye relief however it degrades the picture a little bit.  Real choice is a big or little scope. Big looks better little is easier to use.  I have both large and small scopes and binoculars switch off depending on the situation.

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Reply #20 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 11:40am
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You might want to look at the Konus 80 or 100mm set at 25x, they seem to be coming on very strong in the silhouette rifle game here in Ca. for mid-level entry scopes.
  
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Reply #21 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 12:04pm
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OK, so I'm now in the market for something better than the $45 20-60x Northern Tool scope purchased 'new' at a flea market for $35.

Can one get by with a fixed 50 or 60x?

Looking down range only at 100 and 200yds.

  

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Reply #22 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 12:17pm
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What size bullet holes do you need to see? 

My personal impression is that (at least when shooting on the ASSRA red on buff targets) there is a significant significant step down in visibility once you drop below 30 cal  (never shot any .28's, but .26,.25.,22rf ).   
I suspect that the amount of lube the bullet carries to the target creating a "lube-smudge" ring around the actual hole may be a significant factor since the actual bullet hole is usually hard to see unless unusually back-lit.
  

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Reply #23 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 12:37pm
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Catwhisperer,

I think you can see by the various responses that opinions vary, as do experiences, and that what people consider "good" is highly subjective to what their expectations are.

Boats said it the best, and summarizes what I think:

Keep to lower magnification, 20 to 24x is great, 50 to 60X equates to poorer picture quality.  Fixed is as good as variable, and cheaper and more dependable.   

The one thing that really matters in clarity is the size of the front glass.  80mm is best, 60 is better than 40.

I set up an 80mm scope on the line at our hundred yard range every time I shoot.  There's usually an assortment of other scopes, I often see the small burris and Leupold, a rifle scope duct taped to a tripod, some chinese scopes, and sometimes the larger cheap scopes such as Nikon Sea & Sky and Celestrons.  There's a constant stream of shooters coming to my bench, to use my scope, because they can't see the bullet holes with theirs.  When there's a Leica or Swarovski or Kowa, they never come to borrow mine.  That to me says it all.

Guys that have a lot of pride of ownership in their particular scope will tell you it does everything they need.  But, when it comes to actually seeing, they will borrow a better scope to go where their favorite won't.   

I wish I could find and afford a scope that was 10 times as good as what I have.  But, like Boats said, it's mostly a matter of the "soup" that we're looking through, and the light, and the best scopes are limited by that.

If you really want to reliably spot what you are shooting at in a wide range of conditions, buy the biggest and highest quality you can afford, and it will still not be as good as you would like.  But, at least it won't be in the mostly useless category of poor money spent.  Or, if what you really need is a lower resolution, inexpensive scope, buy it and save your money to buy better beer or whatever your weakness is!  Only you have a good idea of what your real needs are.

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Reply #24 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 5:50pm
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Thanks, David, Boats,

I just looked up the 82mm Leica.  Just under $4k.

I'll keep looking.

Good summary, thanks!

  

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Reply #25 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:39pm
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Because of the things that Boats discribed, you'll have to use one for a while before you can really get a good idea of how well it fits your needs.

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Reply #26 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:56pm
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Cat for cheap and pretty good look at the old Bushell fixed power spotters. I have owned several of the 20x50 mm compacts. Gave three of them away for bird feeder set ups, friends family.  EBay 50 bucks or so, it is a crap shoot even when new these scopes varried one to the other in resolution. Buy it it's yours.

Safer bet more money are the now discontinued Leupold fixed.  Between 200 and 300 off eBay. Higher powers sell for more than low, and the best one to own is the 20x60 mm.  Get it in the mail not right Leupold has lifetime guarantee.  Caution on leupold Gold ring is the only American made scope with guarantees.  Others are no better than any other Chinise scope.

I bought one of the gold ring 30x60 mm models fairly cheap because of a click in the adjustment screw. Leupold had it back to me in 10 days repaired no charge .  It does not resolve quite as good as the 20x60.  

I think but can't prove there is a balance point power to objective lens size. 20x does fine with 50mm. Unertl had it right 24x63 mm. Kowas 27x LER works well with the big 77s and larger.  30x I suspect is too much power for 60mm.  This from comparing my two 60mm leupolds one 20 one 30 side by side

That's a lot and all I know about it.

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Reply #27 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 8:57pm
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The person I shoot BPCR/BPTR with most frequently has a new 77mm Kowa with the fluorite lens. We agree that it is better than my 65mm Celestron Regal only in the most poor 'seeing' conditions at distances of 400m and longer. For a difference of $1700-1800, you will have to decide if it is worth it to you. The Kowa is truly a fine scope. But, on a 'value basis', there are better options. 

If I were to purchase a new scope for Schuetzben, BPCR & BPTR and money were no object I would go for the new 60mm HD model Leupold. Its compact size and Leupold quality would make the difference for me. They are very 'handy' on the firing line.
  

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Reply #28 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 10:57pm
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Nov 28th, 2014 at 5:50pm:
Thanks, David, Boats,

I just looked up the 82mm Leica.  Just under $4k.

I'll keep looking.

Good summary, thanks!



Wow! I guess I made a good investment.  14 years ago I sold my house to a doctor.  Out of the proceeds I bought a Leica for $1200.  It is an incredibly clear scope.

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Reply #29 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 10:24am
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I use a Bushnell Elite 80mm scope.  I'm sure it's not quite as good as the top end scopes but in good light I've watched .45 cal bullets drop into an 800m target.  

Interestingly this scope has also gone up greatly since I bought it.  I just looked at the Black Friday sale price and it's listed at $729.   I think I paid $450 or $500.

I've never used a really high end spotting scope, but would love to see how they compare, especially in challenging conditions.

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