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Schuetzen shooter photo
Nov 2nd, 2014 at 1:12am
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A new pic arrived yesterday, back has 1930 handwritten and a clipping of a match? all in French.



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Re: Schuetzen shooter photo
Reply #1 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 9:02am
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Nice picture! I always enjoy seeing how dressed up people got to go shooting back then!
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 9:34am
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What I find interesting is the barrel sight, the palm rest, lack of a shooting stand,  Shooter has no hat, French writing on the back. Man posing for the photo? Pictures were a big deal back then. Many more photo's were posed then.  I remember having to be still when I was a kid so a picture wasn't ruined. Not that I'm that old, but I remember mom having a very old camera. 

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Reply #3 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 9:37am
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Clipping of a match?  Very interesting!

Can we see that? Please?

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Reply #4 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 12:17pm
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Please show us the back with the French text, so we can read it.

Maybe he tells interesting things?  Roll Eyes  Wink

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Reply #5 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 1:26pm
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just a couple comments:  
that looks VERY much like 2 rifles I own   the one it looks most like is a very late (post 1920) Hammerelli (sp?) made Martini-actioned swiss-schuetzen-styled rifle that is chambered for the late Military Swiss 7.5x55 rimless high power cartridge. They were used in the 20's to late 30's in Post-schuetzen international Free Rifle Competition.  The forward reaching "spoon" on the trigger guard is the original palm rest. 
  these were long heavy barreled rifles---heavy to accommodate the recoil for a cartridge that is prettier similar to the US military 30-'06 round.   a more rearward grip position for the left hand helps it balance very nicely.   some of these Hammerelli barreled action were purchased by the US and run through the Springfield armor and rebarreled with 30-'06 match barrels for our US military teams for that competition.   Occasionally one shows up in a auction catalogue  some have original stocks and some have been modified to a more US style.  they also often have a cork-ball palm rest.

My second rifle is a very near twin with identical action & barrel and almost identical stock---however-------It was drilled out to about 50 cal and a shorter heavy walled 22 rf liner inserted; The original  barrel is like sight bloop tube.  (the tiny screws centering the muzzle of the liner are metric threaded so I'm assuming it was done "over there").    It is a bit lighter with less forward weight, for that reason (I'm assuming) is had the "spoon" rest reduced and it is drilled for a palm rest farther forward of the action.

Based on the above I'm speculating that the picture shows a civilian marksman posing with a swiss Hammerelli International free rifle.   French is a common language of Switzerland so french  would not preclude a Swiss origin of the photo.    I can't  tell from the photo if the bore is large or small; but with the palm rest it might be a conversion for small bore competition
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 1:33pm
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There is a Swiss Arms collectors site that has a limited amount of Swiss single shot material buried amidst all their Swiss Militaria material. However they do have a posting of photos from a photo album from a Intl Free Rifle Competition held in Belgium (as best I recall).   It showed several photos that helped me identify and date my pair of rifles to that later era rather than to the earlier "classic-schuetzen" era. 

After looking several times at that photo several more times, it sure looks to my eyes like that bore is more than .30/7.5mm diameter.  I'm really inclined to guess that it has been converted to small bore.  
IN general, the Swiss almost never used tang mounted diopter rear sights but stuck almost exclusively to finely made adjustable barrell-mounted open sights. Absent contra-indicting proof marks; barrel mounted sights, and lack of a tang/diopter bases; the Swiss collectors assume such rifles are swiss "stutzen" rifles----military and military-derived pattern target and hunting rifles.
Again this all speculation on my part Roll Eyes----I'd be VERY pleased if Biggi can amplify or correct me  Wink

Looking at it yet again it almost looks like there IS a  diopter base lump on the tang.   Huh Embarrassed   If so I'm probably totally wrong------maybe its a GERMAN Intl. Free Rifle  small or centerfire form the inter-war era.   clothing and hair style certainly would fit.
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Reply #7 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 4:06pm
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It appears that this is the winner of the match?


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Reply #8 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 4:35pm
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Okay, the mentioned town "WOLUWE" is in Belgium (near Brüssels), not France. 

Will translate the newspaper snippet later, wait a minute...

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Reply #9 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 5:18pm
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Here is the translation.

I guess the snippet has nothing to do with the picture of the shooter.

They write about Flobert shooters in 1927. Those guys shot indoors I guess, like the Bavarians with zimmerstutzens.

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Reply #10 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 6:42pm
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I am pretty sure its a Swiss Martini Stutzer in 7.5 millimeters. 

Very common rifle in Switzerland.

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Reply #11 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 7:09pm
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Hello Biggi
Thanks for the translation.

I assumed it was French as it came from a seller in France and the "des enfants" sounded like French for the children.

  

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Reply #12 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 7:20pm
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The Belgians have three official languages: 

• French (in the south)
• Dutch (in the north)
• German (small regions in the east)

And they have some "official dialects" like walloon and Flemish.

If something is written in French, it might be also from Belgium or Switzerland, because the Swiss have also a lot of official languages in their country (French, Italian, German, and Rhaetian).

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Reply #13 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 7:28pm
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there were a series of 7.5 cartridges used over the years from low pressure BP cartridges to the hi-power jacketed military target ammo of the 1920'2 & 30's.  the same as used in the superb K-31 military bolt action rifles and in later semi auto and machine gun ammo,

here is a like to an auction photo of a rifle that appears to be similar to mine

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Reply #14 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 7:32pm
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Ääähhhhhmmm, well... changed my mind...  Huh  Roll Eyes  Undecided

I think its an "Martini Francotte"!

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