ASSRA Forum - Laminated steel

ASSRA Forum › General › General Discussion › Laminated steel

(Moderator Group: Moderator)

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

Page Index Toggle

Pages: 1 [2]

Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies)

Laminated steel (Read 11168 times)

craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2066 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: Laminated steel Reply #15 - Oct 28^th, 2014 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	Quote: ....The original thread was pertaining to "Laminated Steel", so perhaps it would be beneficial to save your expansion of the conversation into "conventional steel barrels", if there is such a thing, for another time and sitting. I hear you Dr. Maynard, no argument. If I could clear up my point. I think shortcomings are assigned to the damascus barrel that may just be repeated hear say. Up above, I think boats has an excellent approach to shooting any old gun. I do not believe a conventional steel shotgun barrel from a similar era has an automatic strength advantage, but they may be more popular in the used gun market. If it's okay to mention, you had also thought about bore scope inspections. Good idea. You may find many bores are 'cleaned up', so the thought about checking thicknesses and maybe if chambers or forcing cones have been altered isn't a bad idea. I hope you don't mind if I thought it was somewhat related.


	IP Logged

BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Laminated steel Reply #16 - Oct 28^th, 2014 at 5:05pm	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Proud Noodlehead
	IP Logged

Singleshotlover Ex Member	Re: Laminated steel Reply #17 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 12:48am	Print Post
	Let me give some more info regarding this shotgun. Barrels are way off the face and gap between the rear of the barrel is easily 1/16" or greater. The locking lugs are really beatup and from their appearance look to have been peened and filed. I was asked just to replace some missing wood around the lockplates and so far cannot find who made the thing. Will have to remove some paint on the lockplates as so far all I found was laminated steel on the rib and choke bored. If and when I find out who made it I will post the manufacturer. But I will tell the owner its not to be fired period. And describe the laminated steel thing to him. Thanks to all, Frank


	IP Logged

boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7762 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Laminated steel Reply #18 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 6:55am	Print Post
	You have to be be very careful with mint shotgun bores. Not many survived corrosive primers without some pitting, cure for pitting is hone it out. 100 years later how much wall thickness is left after they were honed. Lot of debate on how much is safe. I use .30 in front of the chamber as a rule of thumb. Last weekend at the tournament friend of mine rejected a nice looking Parker 12 that measured .19. I bought a Parker 10 that measured .90. Looking outside impossible to tell which was safe to shoot. On the Internet you can find a video by Midways Larry Porterfield showing how to ruin a Parker and turn it into a time bomb with a chamber reamer, that he sells. Point is old doubles can be safe to shoot, but you have to know what you are doing. Same as breech seating single shots. Boats


	IP Logged

Dr.Maynard Ex Member	Re: Laminated steel Reply #19 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 8:11am	Print Post
	My point is; The high percentage of folks who are oblivious to the inherent risks that they are able to cause to themselves and others around them, but nevertheless, proceed on into the face of oblivion.


	IP Logged

craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2066 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: Laminated steel Reply #20 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 12:54pm	Print Post
	I'm glad other considerations were brought up. Good link too about current looks at damascus.


	IP Logged

slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Laminated steel Reply #21 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 9:23pm	Print Post
	When I was a kid my friend who lived on the neighboring farm would hunt with me using his grandpa's old Damascus barreled hammer gun. Used high brass loads all the time. Made me nervous every time he set it off but it never did blow up. That was 55+ years ago.


	IP Logged

JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Laminated steel Reply #22 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	For what it's worth, I have an L.C. Smith 12 gauge double with Damascus barrels that I have loaded with black powder and lead shot and have managed to kill a few ducks with. The fact that I used lead shot tells you that's it's been awhile ago. The only problem I encountered was trying to see where the duck went, peering through the smoke on a calm, foggy morning. Other than a few minor barrel dents and worn off checkering, the gun is in excellent condition. Still, I wouldn't care to shoot it with anything other than moderate loads using the powder for which I believe it was originally designed to use. JS


	IP Logged

boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7762 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Laminated steel Reply #23 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:43pm	Print Post
	I use black powder in my Parker Lifter 12, built 1876 2nd Shot is a challenge at times due the smoke However my newer Damascus guns were built for Smokless powder and shoot them with Smokless. Keep Pressure down to the 7000 lb level. Lot of low pressure loading data on the different shotgun club web sites Parker LC Smith etc. 8 lb 12 throwing 7/8 oz shot at about 1150 fps is a real easy gun to shoot and still breaks clays at long distance. You don't need heavy loads for much. Hunting it depends on what you are hunting. The guns have been carefully inspected. Boats


	IP Logged

DonH Ex Member	Re: Laminated steel Reply #24 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:31am	Print Post
	"The point that Don H. may have overlooked is the time period that runs between the double gun being shipped at assembly and the time at which you wish to make a purchase of it. That is, how well was the Demascus twist steel maintained ? Or, should I say, how badly was the Damascus twist barrels neglected by their prior owner/s?" I did not overlook the above. My point was and is that being Damascus is not the only or, necessarily, the main factor.


	IP Logged

Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Laminated steel Reply #25 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	The rifle that I showed was made by Ronge in Liege, probably in the 1840s. The lock is conventional, with a fly for the single set trigger. The breech plug is slightly more than finger tight, but does not leak at all and is normally spun out for cleaning--hence the survival of the bore in perfect condition. The damascus pattern is so regular that i cannot conceive how the forger achieved it. It was purchased in Britain. Fred


	IP Logged

Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Laminated steel Reply #26 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	Here is the lock area: Fred


	IP Logged

Page Index Toggle

Pages: 1 [2]

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

« Board Index ‹ Board Top

Top

ASSRA Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2026. All Rights Reserved.

Valid XHTML

Valid CSS

Powered by Perl

Source Forge

Page completed in 1.3786 seconds.