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Oct 18th, 2014 at 4:51pm
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anyone have directions for dissassemble_reassemble a model 44 action?  it has the false screws on the right side and the plunger for lever tightness  its a centerfire action.  thanks  art
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 12:17pm
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  Hello Art:

  From what you've asked and indicated let me see if my guidance will prove helpful;

The breech block and under finger lever each rotate on an axis "SUPPORT PIN" (a total of two pins) which has an oval head with a screw driver slot cut in it and the both of them (2 such support pins) enter the left hand side wall of the action. (Follow so far?)

These two support pins are of a length so that they reach the full width of the action and meet the opposite side wall on the right hand side where they align with the 2 holes found on the right hand side wall.

IMPORTANT--The 2 support pins ARE NOT THREADED SCREWS, but have the screw driver slots in their heads NOT so that they may be turned and screwed out of the left side wall that retains then, BUT RATHER so that they may be (1) ALIGNED AND ORIENTED IN PLACE and (2) HELD STATIONARY AND  IN PLACE without rotating. (I'll Explain why so in a second)

Each of the 2 support pins that we are discussing, and which enter the left hand side wall of the action have as part of their design two "cleats" (for lack of a better term) per head on the under side of their oval heads.  The two cleats per pin align up with and mate into corresponding slots ( or recesses) that are cut into the action side wall on the left hand side (there are NO SUCH SLOTS in the right hand side wall, JUST ON THE LEFT)

Follow so far ? ?  In other words--the two long support pins enter their respective holes on the left hand side, they slide in and through to hole in their respective component (one into the breech block pivot hole, and the second one into the finger lever pivot hole) and "they are pushed home" which means "in as far as they will go"   

You're not finished quite yet!!  Reason, each of the two pins now need to be aligned and seated (whatever that means? ?)  What that means is ; you reach for your correct size screw driver that fits the slot in the support pin head and you rotate the support pin 90 degrees while applying
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 12:45pm
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Sorry for the interruption, but I exhausted my allotted space --

while applying pressure laterally so that the "cleat" under the pin's head meets up with the side wall "groove" and the pin goes farther in and "bottoms out".   

Repeat the same procedure for the second support pin  and you're almost finished.

By now you know each of the two support pins has a drilled and tapped female threaded hole in it's end which is visible from the  two holes in the right hand side wall of the action.

The two support pins and retained "in place" by use of a short male threaded cap screw that engages the support pin from the right hand side. 

When you have finger tightened that short cap screw you are ready to "button in up".

Here is how you would want to do that.

CAUTION-- You will NOT want to tighten the retaining cap screws by placing torque on the support pins and allow the torque to be applied to the "alignment cleats" at the head end of the pin.  The way to avoid that from happening is to use a second screw driver in your other hand to engage the slotted head of the support pin in order to HOLD THE SUPPORT PIN STATIONARY and to KEEP THE SUPPORT PIN FROM TURNING IN THE SIDE WALL HOLE while at the same time you finish tightening the short cap screw through the right hand side wall.

Please ask any question you may have regarding this. 

I should add here that approx. 40 % of the J.Stevens which I've encountered alrady have had the alignment cleats and their corresponding groves already destroyed by unknowing folks who have dis and re assembled these actions incorrectly.

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Re: stevens 44
Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 1:24pm
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Having removed the pivots for breechblock and lever, pull the lever away and the breechblock will follow it.  Capture the extractor.  When reassembling, practice a few times without the extractor.  

Simply lay the extractor on the breechblock when re-inserting.  This is the only tricky bit about reassembling a Model 44.  It can help to remove the barrel if getting the extractor back gives you trouble.  I also have a slightly undersize 2" long "slave pin" with a long taper on it to help align the extractor eye whilst inserting the actual pivot.  

If the hammer is to be removed, first remove the buttstock.  Notice the orientation of the main spring, and how it seats into the back of the hammer.  Now, with breechblock removed, pull the trigger to let the hammer down into the breechblock space.  Lift out the spring.  Remove the hammer pivot screw. 

The trigger should be obvious. 

Firing pin is retained by a cross pin in the breech block. Drive out the cross pin and the firing pin should fall right out.  Not always, because the groove on the pin is sometimes battered.  

With the breechblock/lever assembly out, note the condition of the link pins.  The most common cause of a floppy lever is that these pins, (and the link holes) get battered and bent.   The usual fix is the use oversize pins, for which reaming the holes slightly larger may prove necessary, (the holes get battered out of round).
New pins should be a light drive fit.  Make pins from drill rod or steel dowels.  These pins take a heck of a beating.  

The lever and breechblock pivots also take a beating, and they wear.  The pins could be rotated 180 degrees save for that "cleat".   I have been known to make a new notch in the frame to enable them to be put back rotated 180.  I have also reamed one rifle to use pins made from 5/16 dowels, and drilled setscrew holes to retain them, a la the Winchester.
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Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 1:32pm
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  Thanks USCRA for picking up where I left off-

  I went "on break" to get a coffee refill knowing that two pages did not totally cover the entire process....

Wink

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Reply #5 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 1:56pm
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  its a centerfire action.  thanks  art


Art -- The J. Stevens M-44 actions are 90 % plus,  the same whether Rim-Fire or Center-Fire.

The two Deltas are the extractors and of course the location of the firing pins in the breech blocks, both of which are self explanatory.

The other Delta that I'll mention is that some later M-44's had a coiled main spring on a guide rod, whereas the earlier production guns had the leaf spring.  Neither of those features would alter the de / re assembly process worth noting.

Take your action apart and reassemble that same day, but do it slowly and "talk your-self through it, making mental note as to what you've done and why you had to do it in that sequence, following what USCRA has indicated.  Wait a full day and on the third day do the process again just to reinforce the first day,.  .  .  .

That will ingrain what you've learned and it , the dis-re assembly, will become 2nd nature to you.

Ask any question that has not already been answered.

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Reply #6 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 1:59pm
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Coffee!  Thanks for reminding me.   I'm a quart low!    Shocked
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 2:59pm
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thanks guys;  great help, i will print it   art
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 8:21pm
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They are actually pretty simple once you get in to it. Might want to take some pictures as you do this if you have a digital camera handy or in your phone. Biggest mistake is messing up the weird screw head on the right side that has the locking tabs and you are not supposed to try to un screw. A lot of these have been damaged by people who do not know how they are made. No idea why Stevens over complicated this.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 6:29am
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Biggest mistake is messing up the weird screw head on the right side that has the locking tabs and you are not supposed to try to un screw. A  No idea why Stevens over complicated this.


Actually, the better terms for these pieces are "Pivot Pin" / or "Block Support Pin" and "Finger Lever Support Pin" instead of calling them screws, which they are not.

Yes, the I.D.'ed "pins" do have a drilled and tapped female thread in order to accept their capture cap screw, but to call them screws is to misidentify them to a purest.

Also I would note that, quote "..the weird screw head on the right side that has the locking tabs . . ." as it has been called, is located, in all my Stevens M-44 actions, on the LEFT HAND side of the action side wall.

The poster has said, "NO idea why Stevens over complicated this"

Stevens designers had their reason for designing the arrangement the way that you find it, and the reason IS -- so that once the two support/pivot pins are inserted into their respective holes in the left hand side of the Action side walls, the cleats (or tabs if you prefer to call them that) found under the pin head engage with the side wall recesses and "lock the pin to the action" thereby preventing the support pin from rotating in either direction as the breech block and the finger lever component rotate back and forth around the support pins.

REASON;  It would be desired to wear the support pin diameter, instead of having the two support pins wear and elongate their side wall hole diameters.  Replacement support pins were cataloged as "spares" by J.Stevens, whereas machined " Action Castings " were not so listed.

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Reply #10 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 7:03am
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  This probably does not need to be said to most, but in the interest of completeness, it would be standard practice to lube moving parts at assembly time in order to reduce drag and wear such as at the breech block pivots, lever pivots, hammer pivots, and trigger pivots.

Everyone has their individual preferences as to what lube works best for them.  I prefer a light grease which contains a small percentage of fine graphite powder.

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Re: stevens 44
Reply #11 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:14pm
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Forgot the actual name of the part and sometimes have trouble knowing my right from my left in my old age!
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 7:08pm
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anyone have directions for dissassemble_reassemble a model 44 action?  it has the false screws on the right side and the plunger for lever tightness  its a centerfire action.  thanks  art


Hi Art :

What would you say the condition of your center-fire J.Stevens M-44 rifle is in?  Also, what caliber C.F. is the factory chambering ?

In good or better condition these rifles do hold their value nicely among collectors.   

Unfortunately, some such rifles fall into the hands of folks who have a need to change what J.Stevens produced for the reason they think they become gun smiths by doing so, either not realizing, or disregarding, the diminution in value.

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Re: stevens 44
Reply #13 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 9:03pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
Forgot the actual name of the part and sometimes have trouble knowing my right from my left in my old age!

The catalogs do help.

On page 23 of the Stevens Catalog No. 50, Stevens refers to them as "bolts" and provides the following description:

     Another important improvement in the "Ideal" rifle, in place of the former breech block, lever and extractor being held in place by large screws that fastened in the frame by threads, a bolt that goes through the frame without threads is employed. On the outside of this bolt is a V shaped projection, which in turn fits into a similiar depression in the frame, thus holding it rigid and making it impossible to turn. This bolt goes into the frame from the left hand side and is held in place by a screw going in from the right hand side, consequently if it is desired to take the rifle apart it can be readily done by removing the right hand screw and driving the bolt out to the left.

On pade 71 of the Stevens General Catalog No. 53, in the illustrated parts breakdown, Stevens now refers to the bolts as "pivots".

Take your pick.

  

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Reply #14 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:38pm
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Hmmmmmmmmm, does that mean that the newer Stevens 44's are a "bolt action" rifle?  Shocked

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