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BPC reloading book?
Oct 16th, 2014 at 1:10am
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Any suggestions for a real in depth book on reloading black powder cartridges? I mean the type of book that has everything you would ever want to know and more (if one exists).

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Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 7:14am
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The small Venturino & Garbe "BP Primer" 
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is probably still the best out there, though a bit dated. For instance, few use magnum primers these days. There is also a good section in Venturino's "Buffalo Rifles" book on loading for the larger BP cartridges covered in his book.
The key is to find what your rifle likes for a load. Once you find an accurate load(s), it really is "the indian, not the arrow" and a proper, consistent hold is key with our slow moving bullets. As an example, someone shot one of my rifles at 600yd last month using a load I know is capable of holding the 10-ring. He shot 40' short the first shot, over the target the second, then an X and a 10 when he finally got a good hold. In the next 10 shots he missed twice more. That "hold" thing is for real.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 10:53am
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That book is actually the reason I started the thread. I almost bought it until I read the reviews. Most of the reviews were still good ones, but almost all of them stated they were looking for more info than the book provided.

I can play with loads my self and find out what works, so I am not looking for specific load data for a certain cartridge. From what I have read and watched on the internet people load there cartridges in different ways. I was hoping there is a book that talks about all of the methods in depth and explains every detail about what can be used, what it is used for and what it works best for.
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Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 11:21am
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There's also the books that Paul Matthews wrote. Loading the Black Powder Rifle Cartridge and other books relating to the subject. Amazon carries most of them. Dale.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 11:35am
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I would think to gather up all the information from everyone on what works and what doesn't would take a long time and create a book quite thick. You could read all that is here, all on the Shiloh site as well as what is on several other sites. After reading everything that you can find it still boils down to what your particular rifle likes. 
Best advice is to pick out a suitable powder for your caliber and an appropriate bullet and lube and just have at it. 
Start with a powder charge that fills the case to the base of your bullet and wad and work up from there. Swiss doesn't seem to like much compression and Goex seems to need more. There are many bullet choices out there but the old tried and true Postel seems to be a good choice for a starting point. 
One rule that you should observe is change only ONE thing at a time.
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Reply #5 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 12:47pm
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nuclearcricket wrote on Oct 16th, 2014 at 11:35am:
One rule that you should observe is change only ONE thing at a time.
Hope this is of some help.
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Along with a good, consistent hold, this is the best advice out there. 

  

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Reply #6 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 2:04pm
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Thanks guys, I am gathering up a lot of info here and reading on other sits. I guess I will just buy that book mentioned above and some others and gather more info that way. They had a Lyman book at Sportsman's Warehouse about loading BP, but it was mostly about muzzle loaders and only had one chapter about BPC. I just figured there wold be a book by a guy who has tried it all and shared his experiences. I was also hoping to get some history on odd stuff like who invented gas checks, how they came up with the idea and things like that.

I just started reading The Bullets Flight by Franklin Mann. Well sort of, I am a little more than 20 pages in and haven't got to the actual book yet. So far it has been all back story on the writer and some overlooked firearm inventors from the past which is pretty interesting.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 3:18pm
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There's also a BPC book written by Steve Garbe and available from SPG. It is very thorough and gives specific load info for specific, BP Cartridge Reloading Primer.

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Reply #8 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 5:43pm
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Most of the old Black Powder cartridge magazines with reloading articles by Bob Glott  are a good read for 45-70 shooting.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm
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In a recent issue of the Black Powder Cartridge News there was a review of a new book.  I can find the name if you like.  The Internet is the best source nowadays for getting started.  You just have to learn who to pay attention to Smiley

Glenn is right about the holding.  These rifles require absolute consistency to get the most out of them.  The Internet contain much information on loading the rifles, but little on actually shooting them.  One of the best books I've bought was on shooting techniques by Jim Owens.  I was making pretty much every mistake he listed.   I still do, but the mistakes are smaller.   Slow lock time and long barrel time exaggerate shooter errors.

Mann's book is a great read.  I think it needs to be read multiple times.

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Reply #12 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:52am
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Thanks again John Boy. That was defiantly a good starting point, and best of all it was free.

I have heard the "You don't want any air space between powder and bullet" (as mentioned in that book) a few times now, but no one explained why. From the way it is said I assume this is a safety issue and not just an accuracy issue. Can someone explain because when using smokless powder that isn't a issue at all. Even though black powder is said to be less stable, the pressures are suppose to be less than smokless.
  
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Re: BPC reloading book?
Reply #13 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 5:08am
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One book you get one opinion. Good example is the often used air space caution. Every breech seated back powder shot I fire has air space between bullet and powder. Good caution old shotguns or muskets not relivent to modern steel rifles.

  BPC rifle covers a lot of ground. I have most of the books available and some hard to find, could not pick a single book.

If your interest was narrow, like breech seating only might be possible to recomend something

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Reply #14 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 1:30pm
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i'm just getting into bpcr loading after over 55 years of only smokeless reloading for rifles and pistols.  i've poured through all the popular books and vids for months.  imho, there isn't a book or video out there than will work better than getting a human being mentor who knows his bp stuff.  there are too many bp nuances, with many different processes and materials to understand and successfully adopt into good rounds that deliver good accuracy than the super-easy-to-load-and-shoot smokeless rounds.  ymmv, but that's just the way i've found it to be.

  

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