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Reply #15 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 10:01pm
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craigster wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 9:52pm:
I never said they were the norm. I said they were not uncommon. Take a look at Hodgon's load data for the 308 Wichester and you will find more than a few compressed loads.


yes, for decades i've seen all the smokeless compressed load data - i'm not a newbie to reloading, have been doing so since the late 50's.  let's just move on to help the op ...
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:42pm
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Sure fooled me.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 3:50am
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Hank45 wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 1:11pm:
I want to load trailboss into my black powder cartridges, what I need to know is how much trail boss to use to get a comparative load to black powder? Thanks for your answer Hank


Follow this guide, Hank. Pretty simple. 

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I have in the past, replicated BP loads/trajectories with other smokeless powder types, at the range. Increase or decrease the powder charge to the same point of impact as your BP loads. 
All the while watching for pressure. 

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Reply #18 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:34am
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Westerners advice is good. Working from scratch I load smokeless in Black Powder cases to Black powder velocity watching for pressure signs, then stop.   More may be possible not advisable.

I don't think there is any formula or ratio that's reliable. Cautious Observation best way to go.


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Reply #19 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:15pm
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I want to load trailboss into my black powder cartridges, what I need to know is how much trail boss to use to get a comparative load to black powder?
Trail Boss would be the last powder on earth for me to use as a BPCR reload ... at a match last week, with the sun just right, watched 'tracer' Trail Boss loaded bullets amble down range so slow - I could see every bullet fired to the target at 200 yds ... 12.5gr TB with a 405 Pb bullet
  
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Reply #20 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:38pm
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I want to load trailboss into my black powder cartridges, what I need to know is how much trail boss to use to get a comparative load to black powder?
Trail Boss would be the last powder on earth for me to use as a BPCR reload ... at a match last week, with the sun just right, watched 'tracer' Trail Boss loaded bullets amble down range so slow - I could see every bullet fired to the target at 200 yds ... 12.5gr TB with a 405 Pb bullet


12.5gr is at best a wimp 70% load.  seat that 405 over 17gr of tb and a .030" wad, and it will rival bpcr as it rockets downrange.  not saying that tb is best for that scenario, aa5744 is Far better (26gr under a 405gr).  but i'm learning to be a holy black snob and turn my nose up to smokeless and a 45-70.   Grin Cool
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 3:15pm
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Further to John Boys comment, I have never seen a successful Trail Boss load.  Successfull meaning win or place in a match..

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Reply #22 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm
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boats wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 3:15pm:
Further to John Boys comment, I have never seen a successful Trail Boss load.  Successfull meaning win or place in a match..

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Well phrased.  I'm still watching for one.
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 21st, 2014 at 1:36pm
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TB was a huge disappointment to me Wanting reduced loads, but also expecting accuracy. It is the worst powder I have ever tried. Im sure its "OK" for 15 yd cowboy shoot targets
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 21st, 2014 at 2:00pm
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tb has it's place, but not for long distance smokeless large bore loads.  i would never use it.  either aa5744 or sr4759 are both well proven powders for long distance s/s calibers, and each have won or placed in their share of matches.
  
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Reply #25 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 8:13pm
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I guess it should not suprise us, Trail boss is intended for short range fast draw cowboy loads & that's all it's good for.

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Reply #26 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 8:33pm
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boats wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:
I guess it should not suprise us, Trail boss is intended for short range fast draw cowboy loads & that's all it's good for.

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i found tb to be finicky with cartridge build and rifle at 100yds, and downright wild at 200yds, but i did manage some decent shooting with it and a scoped H&R ultra in .45-70 ... looks like 3 but there were 5 bullseye hits @ 100 yds with that rifle and tb ..

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Reply #27 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 9:05pm
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12.5gr is at best a wimp 70% load.  seat that 405 over 17gr of tb and a .030" wad, and it will rival bpcr as it rockets downrange.

Interesting rfd.  Especially when IMR's Maximum data chart load for a 405gr bullet is:
13.0gr 1007 fps 25,600 CUP

Got anymore hot loads one should avoid shooting?  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #28 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 9:05pm
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boats wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:
I guess it should not suprise us, Trail boss is intended for short range fast draw cowboy loads & that's all it's good for.

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Not if you believe their literature.  Read the first paragraph. Is it no wonder Hank and others are trying it?

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Reply #29 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 9:25pm
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DOH! summa youse guyz either missed or glossed over my first post in this thread, i'll repeat ....

from hodgdon ...

IMR® TRAIL BOSS® REDUCED LOADS
FOR RIFLE AND PISTOL

As noted in the powder description section, Trail Boss was designed primarily for reduced loads using lead bullets in pistol
cartridges. However, Trail Boss offers superb versatility in rifle cartridges producing reduced loads using lead or jacketed bullets.

These reduced loads make firing such cartridges as the 300 Winchester Magnum or even the 458 Winchester Magnum pure fun!
Listed below we show a few examples of such loads throughout the Reloading Data Center, but the fun doesn't stop there. If you
don't see Trail Boss data for your favorite cartridge we have a formula for developing loads for all cartridges and it's simple to
follow. This formula may be used in both rifle and pistol applications:

1) Find where the base of the bullet to be loaded is located in the case and make a mark on the outside of the case at
this location. Then fill the case to that mark with Trail Boss, pour into the scale pan and weigh. This is your
maximum load. Pressures will be below the maximum allowed for this cartridge and perfectly safe to use!

2) Take 70% of this powder charge weight (multiply the maximum load from step 1 by .7), and that is your starting
load.

3) Start with this beginning load and work up to your maximum charge, all the while searching for the most accurate
reduced load. Once found, the fun begins!
  
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