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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	Code 22 RF 100 yds Bench Gabriela Martins 250.10 Bob Zimmerman 248.08 Lonnie Bathke 246.06 Ron Rhoten 246.06 Jack Hewitt 245.05 Bill McConnon 244.05 Loren Lund 244.05 Eddy Jonas 243.04 Ron Yatso 241.02 Claude Kammerzal 241.02 Chuck Bordman 237.04 22 RF 100 yds Offhand Joe Gussenhoven 211.00 Eddy Jonas 208.00 Bob Zimmerman 195.00 Bill McConnon 191.00 Loren Lund 177.00 Jack Hewitt 169.00 22 RF 200 yds Any Sight Bench Ron Rhoten 242.06 Bill McConnon 241.05 Loren Lund 241.01 Bob Zimmerman 240.04 Jack Hewitt 238.03 Eddy Jonas 230.01 Bill McConnon Won 100 yd Bench King Target All matches scored touch the line except Any sight CF Bench No new shooters took me up on the offer to shoot any 22 to try the course of fire. Keep 'em in the red! Bob

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lonniebathke Newbie Offline Posts: 5 Joined: Jun 1^st, 2013	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #1 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	Good shootin' Bob.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11420 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #2 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	IS BR is scored leaded edge?? Huh? Why? Is a sanctioned ASSRA match? Huh? Joe.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #3 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	Joe, Local custom. It has been that way since Bill Crane was running the matches for all 22 RF. The only things they scored center of bullet were the 2 CF bench matches. Since I can't do this all by myself, I went to everything but CF any sight bench to make it easier for the occasional target scorers that help and to eliminate inconsistency when they forget to flip back and forget. Hopefully, they remember that one target is different Regards, Bob

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #4 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:27pm	Print Post
	Not complaining but you should note that your Iron Sight BR matches are being scored by the leaded so they are not miss-leading to those accross the country. Also there are those as myself who like to review what the top shooters are doing and by using the leaded edge format there is no way of really knowing so unfortunatly they would have to be ignored.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7245 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #5 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:14am	Print Post
	Welcome Lonnie! Glad to see you on the forum Frank

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #6 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 2:18am	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:27pm: Not complaining but you should note that your Iron Sight BR matches are being scored by the leaded so they are not miss-leading to those accross the country. This note is at the bottoms of the scores "All matches scored touch the line except Any sight CF Bench."

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11420 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #7 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 2:36am	Print Post
	I didn't know that. Thought the only match not scored by ASSRA rules was the .22 bench matches. So that means no ASSRA record BR scores are possible at TR&R matches? Joe.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #8 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:40am	Print Post
	Records are possible, if the scoring is center of the bullet and on a proper target. I recall seeing some comments on here or in the journal about local custom scoring vs. official record scoring, but it was a long time ago and I don't have any reference to it. They were using ISSA targets when I took over. We have some ASSRA targets for any one who requests to use them, black targets for any one who wants black and iron sight targets for anyone who wants to shoot them in the any sight match. I plan to just go to all ASSRA targets as we need more. Bill did the 22 that way because it was easier for the "girls". I added the Iron Sight bench because it is easier to only have to go back and forth for one target. CF any sight bench is too competitive in good conditions to score the leaded edge. That target is smaller and readily identifiable. It should be easy to keep it straight, but we still had to keep an eye on our new scorer that was helping last weekend. Iron sight bench used to be competitive too, but most of us can't see the red targets or iron sights well enough any more to get many above 240 There are too many errors when novice scorers are doing a few targets here and there. There are too many errors and confusions when I do all the scoring myself. By the time I do all the stuff that needs to be done to keep the match moving in a timely manner, I don't have time to recheck the targets. I shoot a little bit, but most of the effort is keeping it going, getting targets scored and posted, ect. I appreciate the guys that help out running the line and putting out the target frames, ect, but there is room for more volunteers doing a little more to keep it running smoothly.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11420 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #9 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:57am	Print Post
	How could a shooter score a ASSRA record target at TR&R? Joe.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #10 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 9:58am	Print Post
	If you had a set of ASSRA Overlays it would make target scoring easier for both you and the novice and it might be something worth checking into.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #11 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:28pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:57am: How could a shooter score a ASSRA record target at TR&R? Joe. Not sure what you mean Joe. I won't be running matches if I can't shoot. No reason to do it. If you mean a national record, it would be sent to the ASSRA for verification. In NRA silhouettes, match officials are (or were) allowed to participate back when I was trying to get BP started in the 90s before Steve Morris got them started at Eatonville. NRA BP target and other disciplines do not (or did not) allow any match officials to participate, so none of the BP matches at TRR were ever NRA associated. At the shooters meeting at Raton after the NRA BP programs in 1999, I mentioned that inequity between the sports. It was suggested I just shoot, sign the forms and send them in anyway. As a matter of principle, I'm not going to lie on the forms I sign for them. I do not know if they have changed it since. There doesn't seem to be any interest in BP paper target shooting up here anymore. Steve Anderson gave up the program he started after I quit doing it at TRR for lack of participation. Bottom line being if I can't play as a match official, I'm not interested in doing the matches. I'll just waiting for someone to take over or just do something else. It hasn't ever been an issue in the 30 years I've been at it doing ML, BP and SS.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #12 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 9:58am: If you had a set of ASSRA Overlays it would make target scoring easier for both you and the novice and it might be something worth checking into. I have never heard of overlays for ASSRA targets. I will check it out. Do you know where? I do not recall ever seeing anything in the Journal. None of my predecessors ever had any to the best of my knowledge. Determining the score value is not really an issue, it is the switching back and forth between center and leaded edge and using the correct option. In the open relays format, every target you pick up is different. Infinitely more confusing than having all the offhand or bench targets turned in off one relay and doing them all as a group, especially to new scorers.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #13 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 12:12am	Print Post
	The set I had came from the ASSRA and were handed down to me when I ran the matches and I handed them down to the gentleman that eventually took my place. JLouis

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Tacoma Fall Match Sept 13 & 14, 2014 RimFire Reply #14 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 12:41am	Print Post
	Maybe they were locally made up? They just over lay the target to better define the scoring rings, correct?

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